Excellent. Something of the sort for Cirdan's participation in the War of Wrath, or even just answering the summons of Fionwë, would clinch the OP question.
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Did cirdan fight in ⚔️war of wrath?
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Cirdan did answer to summons of GilGalad to go thousands of miles away from home. Why wouldn't he answer to summons of the chief demigod.
He always answered to summons. He answered to Galadriel's summons and left his home multiple times and came to Rivendell and even to attack Dol Guldur. And in First Age he always suddenly appeared with his ships to attack the enemies and save people. And sometimes he didn't use any ships in wars, he came on horse.
Imagine such a character fighting in all sort of battles, but not in the greatest battle.
We all know there's no 100% canon answer to that. We are just assuming based on his characterization. We are assuming he didn't break character.
He always answered to summons. He answered to Galadriel's summons and left his home multiple times and came to Rivendell and even to attack Dol Guldur. And in First Age he always suddenly appeared with his ships to attack the enemies and save people. And sometimes he didn't use any ships in wars, he came on horse.
Imagine such a character fighting in all sort of battles, but not in the greatest battle.
We all know there's no 100% canon answer to that. We are just assuming based on his characterization. We are assuming he didn't break character.
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Your assumption, interpretation, of track record. With a lot of your posts, I have to wonder if we've been reading the same books. But then I know this can happen. What JRRT called the reader's applicability; there are as many applicabilities as there are readers. To each his / her own; some of yours are definitely not mine.
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Anyone can have a different interpretation as long as it doesn't contradict the lore and the person is giving valid and digestible supports to back up their interpretation.
Sometimes Tolkien himself wrote ridiculous stuff that made absolutely no sense. Like that writing about Noldor surpassing the skill of their own teachers (Aulë and Yavanna). I'd argue with Tolkien himself that this is absurd and utterly illogical. But hey, it's his stories, let him sa-si if he can't speak no better. He could ruin his stories as much as he wanted, not my problem.
Sometimes Tolkien himself wrote ridiculous stuff that made absolutely no sense. Like that writing about Noldor surpassing the skill of their own teachers (Aulë and Yavanna). I'd argue with Tolkien himself that this is absurd and utterly illogical. But hey, it's his stories, let him sa-si if he can't speak no better. He could ruin his stories as much as he wanted, not my problem.
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Hello olorgando, It is also written on the tolkien gateway that cirdan fought in the war of the last alliance.
War of the Last Alliance
The War of the Last Alliance, also simply known as the War of the Alliance, was the war at the close of the Second Age in which the Last Alliance of Elves and Men...
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Long story, short: It's possible and even likely given his track record but there's nothing official saying he did. Everyone is on their own on this one.
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I disagree with you on this. Just because an elf isn't among the commanders doesn't mean he wasn't in that battle. So that's not all.😉
Disagree all you like
I have provided verifiable information on those who were definitely there. If you think I have missed out Cirdan or anyone else , give us some data; opinions do not count!
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The War of the Last Alliance is not the War of Wrath. In LotR, Elrond tells Frodo at the “Council of Elrond” that he and Círdan were with Gil-galad at the penultimate battle on the slopes of Orodruin between Sauron, Gil-galad, and Elendil, while Isildur was with Elendil.
I checked Tolkien Gateway’s entry for Círdan and found this concerning Círdan and the War of Wrath.
After the War of Wrath, Círdan, heeding the bidding of the Valar long ago, once more obediently abstained from finding his heart’s desire and going West, but with a small following remained in Middle-earth.
I note that it does not mention Círdan having fought in the War of Wrath.Citation, please. Círdan either “awoke” (which would make him one of the first Nelyar (“thirds”, the third tribe or clan, the forerunners of those who became the Teleri and Sindar, the most numerous of the three tribes (or clans) of Elves)) or was born (from Elven parents) at Cuiviénen. Nowhere does Tolkien write or imply that, “Cirdan is the first elf to awaken in Middle-earth.” That would make him the leader of the Nelyar, and though he is regarded by the Sindar as one of their lords, one of the chief of the Sindarin lords remaining in Middle-earth (Celeborn and Thranduil would be others), and there is reasonably good evidence that he is the oldest Elf (of the Elven nobility at any rate) remaining in Middle-earth, there is no evidence of which I am aware that he was the first Elf to awaken.
Decent arguments, but contrary to the written material we have. Silmarillion says (“Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath”),
Of the march of the host of the Valar to the north of Middle-earth little is said in any tale; for among them went none of those Elves who had dwelt and suffered in the Hither Lands, and who made the histories of those days that still are known; and tidings of these things they only learned long afterwards from their kinsfolk in Aman. … [S]uch few as were left of the three houses of the Elf-friends, Fathers of Men, fought upon the part of the Valar…
“None of those Elves who had dwelt and suffered in” Middle-earth went with the Host of the Valar to the War of Wrath. None of them. I do believe that includes Círdan. And in regards to a recent thread on this same matter regarding Maedhros and Maglor, that includes them, too, though they afterwards appeared in the Camp of the Host of the Valar, murdered the guards of the two Silmarilli, and subsequently took them from the camp.The surviving Edain, however, did go to the war.
I agree with you that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but I disagree with your conclusion that it justifies asserting that Círdan participated in the War of Wrath. He did not. Once again, Silmarillion plainly tells us, “None of those Elves who had dwelt and suffered in” Middle-earth went with the Host of the Valar to the War of Wrath. None of them. That includes Círdan. To the contrary: We have every indication he sat that one out.
Alcuin, Alcuin, that is so old school. Haven't you heard / read of that tenet of, I can only guess, "new" logic?:
absence of evidence is evidence of presence
In my own personal memory it goes back to the Apollo 11 moon landing. But then I'm only 65 ... 🤨
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