Did 🧝Galadriel or Celebrimbor establish Eregion?

m4r35n357 said:

( . . . ) but just to mention that black text is really difficult to read in Dark Mode, ( . . . )

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I'll try to keep that in mind

Okay I've read and pondered (although I'm not done pondering) certain Galadrielian related things from The Nature of Middle-Earth, going by the index references to her name(s).

Beyond texts dated 1959 -- as in my opinion it would not be unexpected to see ideas from Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn being echoed in texts dating to around this time --

what I've found is a text dated 15 Aug 1965, titled Elvish Ages & Numenorean, in which, among other references to Galadriel, Celeborn, and Celebrían, Tolkien refers to the text Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn. Very generally speaking, here JRRT is pondering ages of characters, when they were born or wedded, and at one point he writes:

"The dates of Elrond's wedding (as in LR III 366) and of the births of his children are perfectly possible, but not likely. [footnote13] For the present (Aug. 15. 1965) they are left unchanged, since they cannot be fixed until a decision is taken about the story of Celeborn and Galadriel, and their connexion with Lorien [footnote 14]"

"The best story seems to be that outlined under "Galadriel" [footnote 15, Carl Hostetter refers the reader to CG&C here], in which they take part in the settlement of Eregion, and later of its defence against Sauron. But another possibility is that hinted at in the proposed emendations to the "Tale of Years" (LR III 366), by which they did not come to Lorien till TA 1060."

By the way: note 6 regarding Amroth as Celeborn's son refers to some text that was struck through -- and an author's footnote that appears to have been written in conjunction with it. This is very interesting! I must ponder it a bit more.



In any case, we know the notion that Amroth as Celeborn's son was later rejected, as CFH also
relates in note 5.

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Another detail, this time in the Galadriel and Celeborn section: CFH notes a cover page to (it seems) CG&C, with a prominent title, described as "apparently much later" upon which Tolkien roughly wrote
-- and then struck through -- some notes.

I don't know for certain if CFH's "apparently much later" is based only upon the content (or at least some of it) of these notes, but in any case, the first one relates that Galadriel is made sister of Finrod, that in youth she was fond of wandering afar, that she often visited the Teleri of Swanhaven, and that she was "often a companion of Teleporno ('silver-tall') . . ."

[keeping in mind the fairly late date for the first publication of RGEO, 1967, wherein Celeborn is Sindarin]

. . . and the second concerns Galadriel's quarrel with the sons of Feanor at the sack of Swanhaven.
"How she fought with Celeborn" [I assume Tolkien meant "at his side" rather than against him],
and that she nonetheless went into Exile because though she did not love the sons of Feanor, she
was personally proud and rebellious and wished for freedom.

Okay. Not only would I love to know exactly when these notes were written, but exactly when they
were struck through!

Elthir said:

RGEO, 1967,

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Christopher says it was the notes to RGEO 1968. Not 1967.

TheManInTheMoon said:

Christopher says it was the notes to RGEO 1968. Not 1967.

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I'm aware of that, but he might simply be referring to the British Edition. I don't have my first American Edition handy at the moment, but in any case, RGEO was first published in 1967 in the US (October), and in Great Britain in 1968 (March).

So in the 1967 edition there is that note about Galadriel or not?

Since it doesn't much matter with respect to my point above (which is fairly general with respect to the arguable "lateness" of the ideas expressed in the cover page notes), if I remember to go digging out my copy at some point, maybe I'll add it here.

Edit:

Checked my earlier edition, and it's as I said above : first printing, first American Edition of RGEO, 1967
[incudes the passage that Celeborn is one of the Sundar].