Do ork-elves get a different fate?

[ms Greenleaf]

This is one of those weird questions that no one seems to be able to answer yet I ask anyways. I know elves get two lives but what about the elves that get torchured and turned into orks in their first life do they
a) get reborn as elves
b) get reborn as orks
c) do not get reborn
d) different answer all to gether...I am so desperate please tell me the answer

 

[Inderjit S]

We know little about orc re-incarnation. Certainly, in M.T Tokien was veering away from the idea that orcs were mutilated Elves.

I know elves get two lives

Where is this said? Though it is probable that all Elves who answered Namo's summons (Though many refused esp. Avari) after death, were re-incaranted. Elves do not get 'two lives' for no apparent reason.

 

[Beleg]

Where is this said? Though it is probable that all Elves who answered Namo's summons (Though many refused esp. Avari) after death, were re-incaranted. Elves do not get 'two lives' for no apparent reason.

Why did the Avari refuse the summons?

 

[Niniel]

The whole thing about Elven reincarnation is rather vague. There are some Elves who get 'reborn into their children' (what does than mean anyway? If they get reincarnated, a child gets born that has the mind of the Elf who died?), byt many of them are not reborn, for no apparent reason. I have never heard of Orcs being reborn; I think they wer too much touched by evil too be considered Elves at all.

 

[Confusticated]

ms Greenleaf, you may run a search on thread titles containing the words orc and orcs.

If the orcs were actually elves in origin, and could be sent back to "life" from Mandos, it would not happen until the orc was healed completely. They certainly would never return as orcs. That is not to say they are elvish though.

A good book to read about orcs, and rebirth in, is Morgoth's Ring. Unfortunately about the orcs you may be left asking even more questions after reading it, but you will at least see Tolkien's reasoning for why the orcs should or should not be in orgin this or that.

About rebirthing, Morgoth's Ring gives a clear answer, in my opinion. There is no rebirthing, but only rehousing.

My post here explains this.