Faramir and Immediate 👑King Recognition... What do you think?

[HLGStrider]

All the good men are in Middle Earth... sigh............

 

[HLGStrider]

but maybe it was some sort of mind-melt (ever seen Star Trek?)

PS it's a mind MELD, Niniel.

 

[Beleg]

A few points: No one else did around that area.
counter to the point: Faramir had just been healed by Aragorn (hands of a king)
counter to the counter: Merry was also healed and had no such recognition.
Counter to the counter to the counter: Merry was not exactly Aragorn's subject.
Counter to the counter etc: Really weak excuse.

1. Numenorean's possessed foresite from offlate,
The Quote given below is about Aragon but Faramir was a guy of Hifh Numenorean race too.

...suddenly the foresight of his kindred came to him,...

Appendix A

2. Yes, Hands of the King are the hands of the healer. That was an old proverb and Faramir was a wise and learned person, deep in the lore of Gondor and must have heard this phrase. Once he got some recogniaztion of what was going on, he would have gathered in a instance Aragon's role and what that role made him: No big deal. Also remember the dream he had, about the sword being reforged and Imladris, for which Boromir travelled North, he was a wise man and it is plausible that he had gathered something with accompanied by his foresite inherited from his ancestors he used to recognise Aragon as the king.

3. Pippin had never heard this proverb before. And Pippin knew Aragon much more intimately, as Strider, so much so that he had failed to grasp the real significance of Aragon's role. Pippin didn't see Aragon as the Head of Rangers or even as the King [Till that point, although Some majesty was revealed at Angorath] but as Strider, who tricks and healing powers he knew from experience.
But to Faramir and the people of Minas Tirith who weren't his chums and didn't knew him on a more intimate scale, he seemed like a King with all his hidden glory revealed and his Kingship approved once he proved himself to be a skillful healer.
At that time Faramir wasn't Aragon's subject either. If I recall correctly, till that time Aragon hadn't yet displayed the will of taking over the Kingship explictly, but Faramir perhaps felt himself to be Aragon's subject due to the physological effect of Aragon's revealed lineage and its implications.

4. Which one is a really weak excuse? About Merry being not his subject? No it is, as you see, Merry and people of Gondor saw Aragon from different prespective, Merry knew and loved the Strider side of Aragon, while to Gondorians, from the start the Aragon, King Ellesar Telcontar side was revealed, so they were only acquinted with this side. This is like the same what people of Gondor precieved of Hobbits. Due to their strangeness, their shining gares and the company they kept, they were precieved as fierce princes and I am sure Bilbo would have laughed heartily if he had heard these rumors for to him they were but nice, gentlehobbits although a bit Adventrous.

 

[Rhiannon]

I think Niniel is exactly right. Faramir recognizes Aragorn's call as a command from his king, and it wakens him, combined with Faramir's own clear sight (and he is very clear sighted, we know this)

However, I must take issue with some of what indexerkevin said-

For Eowyn though he must use a diabolically loving bit of trickery which is one of my fav scenes in the books. She is falling fast into the spirit world as much for loss of all hope as from the wound which has been well-tended. As he discusses with Eomer before he goes into his trance with her, the very reason for her total loss of hope is him: Aragorn. So, as I see it, he must literally call her in the spirit world, not as her King but as her love coming to get her (as he rightly knows she will perceive it). He leaves just as she awakes and plants her hand in Eomer's, to transfer the hope onto him. In simple words, he goes to her in the spirit world and leads her to awake in the glorious hope of seeing him (Aragorn). But she only recovers fully when she finally banishes the last glimmer of romantic hope for Aragorn and accepts Faramir's love. They will always share the bond of having been brought back to life by the man they loved.

I think it is very important to recognize that Eowyn does not wake until Eomer calls her. She does not answer Aragorn. By this time she has already given up her 'love-which-was-really-never-love-love' for Aragorn, and transferred that intensity of emotion in to a wish for death. Aragorn recognizes this, which is why he tells Eomer to call her.

Eowyn was not 'on the rebound' when she accepted Faramir's love. Their love was not based on a mutual love of Aragorn. It's true that she 'only recovers fully when she finally banishes the last glimmer of romantic hope for Aragorn and accepts Faramir's love', but it is also when she finally admits to herself that what she felt for Aragorn was respect, and admiration ("And as a great captain may seem to a young soldier, he appeared to you admirable, for so he is, a king among men..." paraphrase), and as a chance of escape from her 'cage', but not as 'true love'.

*ahem* Sorry, sorry...Yes I have to turn everything in to a discussion about Eowyn...

 

[Rhiannon]

All the good men are in Middle Earth... sigh............

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