🧝Galadriel's Wall-Toppling?

[Ithrynluin]

Originally posted by Celebthôl
question, could Feanor tear down a wall just like that?

I think he probably could...but on the other hand it seems more than just a coincidence that two female Elves did this 'wall toppling'...perhaps some power typical of great female Elves - different than the warrior strenght of the males?

 

[Celebthôl]

they were both Maia it has just struck me, it might have been the Maia part of them to do it?

 

[Arvedui]

Originally posted by ithrynluin
I think he probably could...but on the other hand it seems more than just a coincidence that two female Elves did this 'wall toppling'...perhaps some power typical of great female Elves - different than the warrior strenght of the males?

I actually know some women who have such strength once every month!

 

[Inderjit S]

Luthien was Half Maia. Galadriel wasn't Maia at all. A example akin to this is the Witchkings words that broke the gates of Minas Tirith.

I think Feanor was as powerful as both Luthien and Galadriel and may have been capable of such a feat. Though this is pure speculation.

 

[Celebthôl]

ooops your right bah amature mistake

 

[Tar-Elenion]

Originally posted by ithrynluin
I am very much aware of this quote, but what is his reason for putting Lúthien as number one? He gives none. Her recovery of the Silmaril? According to all the information on Galadriel and Lúthien provided in the books, I'd put them on the same spot.

What would the reason be for putting Galadriel as 'number one'?
JRRT says Luthien is the greatest of all the Eldar and this when writing directly about Feanor and Galadriel being great. That is good enough for me.

 

[Tar-Elenion]

Originally posted by Arvedui
I do not read T-E's quote that way.
As I see it, it is just a reference to who/what are the chief matter of the legends and histories of the Elves. It even says so plainly.

The quote provided quite plainly states that Luthien was the greatest of all the Eldar, including both Feanor and Galadriel. While it is possible to disagree with JRRT's statement, it is difficult to read it any other way. The Eldar of Valinor and Luthien are the chief matter of Elvish history and legend. Luthien was the greatest of all the Eldar.

In the Shibolleth itself, Galadriel is mentioned as the greatest of the Noldor, except maybe Fëanor.

Luthien was not a Noldo, so the statement in no way contradicts Galadriel maybe being the greatest of the Noldor.

 

[Elu Thingol]

Posted by Beleg_strongbow
This sounds queeer to an extent. How did the walls obey her command? Did she just say that she was now the ruler and so she should be obeyed? No, at that moment she would have shown some power, some authority and her main power was her enchantment of voice, singing some enchanted song, or ordering in a magical voice...

Even if by some chance Lúthien had sung some great song to tear down the walls, it is irrelevant. What matters is that Sauron had given her mastery over the isle. Meaning that if Sauron had granted the same thing to... let's say Galadriel, then Galadriel would also have been able to tear down the walls. I'm simply stating that Lúthien's authority over the walls is not granted to her by her voice but by the mastery given from Sauron.

Posted by Beleg_strongbow
How did the walls obey her command?

and the spell was loosed that bound stone to stone

 

[Celebthôl]

Originally posted by Tar-Elenion
Luthien was not a Noldo, so the statement in no way contradicts Galadriel maybe being the greatest of the Noldor.

Yeah Lúthien was probibly the most powerful Eldar, the theres and bloomin good reason for it, she half Maia, but whats the point in dicussing whos the best Eldar seeing as Lúthien in now part of the Man race and is therefore excluded, now back to the topic please

 

[Inderjit S]

but whats the point in dicussing whos the best Eldar seeing as Lúthien in now part of the Man race and is therefore excluded

But if Luthien wasn't 'Eldar' then why would Tolkein mention her as being 'greatest of the Eldar'?

 

[Celebthôl]

Because in her time she was, but seeing as she is now Atani whats the use of discussing it, she died and went beyond the confines of the world, therefore no long is she an Eldar...