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That could be so.
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Originally posted by pohuist
I just think that he thought that Moria is dangerous, especially for him, but its the best way under the circumstances. Actually, with Wargs around and Garadras rejecting them, they didn't have much choice.
Gandalf had some power of foresight but it stemmed more from his experience of dealings with the world than of his Istari nature.
BTW, Confusticated, LOVE your logo.
but Ivorwen his wife who was also foresighted
That will indeed be your fate" said Gilraen; but though she had in a measure the foresight of her people
Actually the author wrote a lot about the discord of which you speak.Originally posted by Kat
Grond, in an earlier post, you pointed out that Gandalf feared Saruman. I agree, to what extent do you think the status of Gandalf as the bearer of one of the Three play in this? Does the discord between S and G stem from this, or from a fear of Gandalf's strength regardless of the Ring?
I think you misread my post. It was always Saruman who feared and loathed Gandalf. I feel this was because Gandalf had that which Saruman lacked... compassion. While Saruman saw himself as high above the Peoples of Middle-earth and felt he was sent to save them from themselves... Gandalf saw himself as a vessel of aid sent by the Valar to aid the Peoples of Middle-earth and to enable them to reach their full potential. Where Saruman had skill of voice and hand, Gandalf had skill of heart and mind. It was not in question who would ultimately win out.from Unfinished Tales, The Istari
...But Círdan from their first meeting at the Grey Havens divined in him reverence, and he gave to his keeping the Third Ring, Narya the Red.
"For," said he, "great labours and perils lie before you, and lest your task prove too great and wearisome, take this Ring for your aid and comfort. It was entrusted to me only to keep secret, and here upon the West-shores it is idle; but I deem that in days ere long to come it should be in nobler hands than mine, that may wield it for the kindling of all hearts to courage." 2 And the Grey Messenger took the Ring, and kept it ever secret; yet the White Messenger (who was skilled to uncover all secrets) after a time became aware of this gift, and begrudged it, and it was the beginning of the hidden ill-will that he bore to the Grey, which afterwards became manifest.
and from the same chapter
...But also to be remarked are the coming of the Istari to Middle-earth at different times; Círdan's perception that Gandalf was the greatest of them; Saruman's knowledge that Gandalf possessed the Red Ring, and his jealousy;
from The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien, Letter #144 To Naomi Mitchison, 25 April 1954
The Balrog is a survivor from the Silmarillion and the legends of the First Age. So is Shelob. The Balrogs, of whom the whips were the chief weapons, were primeval spirits of destroying fire, chief servants of the primeval Dark Power of the First Age. They were supposed to have been all destroyed in the overthrow of Thangorodrim, his fortress in the North. But it is here found (there is usually a hang-over especially of evil from one age to another) that one had escaped and taken refuge under the mountains of Hithaeglin (the Misty Mountains). It is observable that only the Elf knows what the thing is – and doubtless Gandalf.
from The Silmarillion, Chapter 24, Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath
But it availed him not. The Balrogs were destroyed, save some few that fled and hid themselves in caverns inaccessible at the roots of the earth; and the uncounted legions of the Orcs perished like straw in a great fire, or were swept like shrivelled leaves before a burning wind. Few remained to trouble the world for long years after.
from The Lord of the Rings, Appendix A, III Durin's Folk[/i]
The Dwarves delved deep at that time, seeking beneath Barazinbar for mithril, the metal beyond price that was becoming yearly ever harder to win.40 Thus they roused from sleep41 a thing of terror that, flying from Thangorodrim, had lain hidden at the foundation to the earth since the coming of the Host of the West: a Balrog of Morgoth. Durin was slain by it, and the year after Náin I, his son; and then the glory of Moria passed, and its people were destroyed of fled far away.
There are a few references which speak of the sleeping terror which lay under the mountains.from The Lord of the Rings, Appendix A, Footnote 41[/i]
41 Or released it from prison; it may well be that it had already been awakened by the malice of Sauron.
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