How to say "Mountain-home" in Sindarin?

[ZehnWaters]

For clarification, "mountain-home" in Sindarin would be Barorod, yes? Would it be contracted at all, say to Barod? I'd translate it into Khuzdul but we don't know enough etymology for that.

For clarification, "mountain-home" in Sindarin would be Barorod, yes? Would it be contracted at all, say to Barod? I'd translate it into Khuzdul but we don't know enough etymology for that.

Follow-up question: "treasure-valley" in Sindarin would be Mirimlad, yes? Or Mírimlad? I'm unsure how to modify mîr. (Man I'm just giving away where I live with these names.)

 

[Gilruin]

For ‘mountain-home’ I would tend to avoid the compound entirely and use Bar-vin-Eryd/Bar v’Eryd ‘home in the mountains’, Sindarin frequently uses phrasal constructions for names like Men-i-Naugrim ‘Dwarf-road, road of the Dwaves’, Tol-in-Gaurhoth ‘Werewolf-isle, isle of the werewolfs’, Ost-in-Giliath ‘Star-citadell, citadell of stars’... Otherwise the question becomes whether something that probably would never appear in the genitive phrase bar orord ‘home of a mountain’ could contract to Barorod.

For treasure-vally, both variants should work. Etymologically mīri had a long ī from the beginning (contrast that with e. g. mbara > bâr where the length developed later), so it should stay long in compounds. However long í occasionally shortens spontaneously.

 

[ZehnWaters]

For ‘mountain-home’ I would tend to avoid the compound entirely and use Bar-vin-Eryd/Bar v’Eryd ‘home in the mountains’, Sindarin frequently uses phrasal constructions for names like Men-i-Naugrim ‘Dwarf-road, road of the Dwaves’, Tol-in-Gaurhoth ‘Werewolf-isle, isle of the werewolfs’, Ost-in-Giliath ‘Star-citadell, citadell of stars’... Otherwise the question becomes whether something that probably would never appear in the genitive phrase bar orord ‘home of a mountain’ could contract to Barorod.

Hm. Well, in this case it would be the translation of the Dwarf name for it. Would that change their naming choice?

For treasure-vally, both variants should work. Etymologically mīri had a long ī from the beginning (contrast that with e. g. mbara > bâr where the length developed later), so it should stay long in compounds. However long í occasionally shortens spontaneously.

So it would stay í or î ? As with the above, it is the translation of the Dwarf name.

 

[Gilruin]

It would stay í. As a rule of thumb, vowels with circumflex can only occur in one-syllable words

Hm. Well, in this case it would be the translation of the Dwarf name for it. Would that change their naming choice?

I doubt it would. All the attested Khuzdul -> Sindarin translations (names for things around Moria) show pretty similar structures, but they also happen to fit Sindarin compounding structure fairly well, I don't think it would be a hard rule. (but I'm biased, phrasal names are one of my favorite features of Sindarin)

 

[ZehnWaters]

I doubt it would. All the attested Khuzdul -> Sindarin translations (names for things around Moria) show pretty similar structures, but they also happen to fit Sindarin compounding structure fairly well, I don't think it would be a hard rule. (but I'm biased, phrasal names are one of my favorite features of Sindarin)

Hm. I guess Bar-vin-Orod since it's singular? (It may not be a Lonely Mountain, but it IS still only one (the final in a chain, like Mindolluin))

 

[Gilruin]

Ah, it's a singular mountain and the home is inside. That changes things, I thought a home located on the surface within a mountain chain. You see, mountain-home doesn't make that clear (compare e. g. a cookie monster = a monster that eats lots of cookies, plurality of the first element doesn't matter)

In this case a compound Orodbar or Barorod (the latter might be perceived as less euphonious) should work as well (though Bar-vin-Orod could still be used).

 

[ZehnWaters]

Ah, it's a singular mountain and the home is inside. That changes things, I thought a home located on the surface within a mountain chain. You see, mountain-home doesn't make that clear (compare e. g. a cookie monster = a monster that eats lots of cookies, plurality of the first element doesn't matter)

In this case a compound Orodbar or Barorod (the latter might be perceived as less euphonious) should work as well (though Bar-vin-Orod could still be used).

My apologies. I should have described what I was referring to better.