👁️Sauron to 🧙Gandalf...or something, i dunno...make sumthin better! :p

[Celebthôl]

Hey dudes, its been too long! Anyway, i was watchin Return of the King, the part where Gandalf was worried about facing the Witch-King...and i began to think...how much more powerful is Sauron to Gandalf? I mean, would Sauron knock Gandalf over with his pinky in a matter of seconds? Or would there be a long drawn fight? Thoughts please?

 

[greypilgrim]

Sauron would crush Gandalf. He had the one ring, there's no way you can beat Sauron with the ring. Impossible.

 

[Celebthôl]

Duh, thats not what im saying, im saying, would Gandalf get crushed in seconds, or would he be able to hold out for longer? There no use debating if he'd win or lose, he would lose, but after how long?

 

[Carcharoth]

The Istari were Maia in valinor, but when they took upon their human forms they lost much of their power, and Sauron was a Maia and did not have to withhold any of his power. Also, Gandalf knows fear in his Istar form so I think he would be overcome with fear if he was face to face with the dark lord and Sauron would crush him in a matter of seconds.

 

[Celebthôl]

As i saw it in both book and film, when he was in his White form, he did not suffer fear, (except in the film where the Witch-King is mentioned, this isnt true in the book as i remember), as the white, he was much more powerful that as the grey, tho still not as powerful as Sauron, i'd have thought he could have lasted some time against Sauron.

 

[greypilgrim]

He could use a lightning spell on him, or he could try killing him with Glamdring too, even though Sauron is way stronger. I think it would take a while, but sauron would actually defeat Gandalf in under an hour. Maybe two hours, tops.

Now if the White gandalf was ther, on shadowfax, he'd just run away...and sauron would have to send his ringwraiths after him.

 

[Saucy]

well he might have the one ring, but what does the one ring do?
i mean he couldnt use it has a weapon!, doenst it give u power to control others hence i think Sauron would have someone, the ringwraiths perhaps dispose of gandalf, i dont think it is actually him with the strength to do it himself.

 

[greypilgrim]

Maybe he'd put the ring on and dance circles around Gandalf invisible.

 

[Saucy]

oh i thought he was gonna drop the ring at his head from the top of the tower and hoped it had the same effect has dropping a penny on someone from the top of the eiffel tower.....

 

[Tanelorn]

Why is it that in the films, when Sauron has the ring on he is still visible?
And if he only has more power when wearing the ring, what happens if he wants to change between visible/invisible? Can he control the ring, and force it to make him visible/invisible?

 

[Celebthôl]

Why is it that in the films, when Sauron has the ring on he is still visible?
And if he only has more power when wearing the ring, what happens if he wants to change between visible/invisible? Can he control the ring, and force it to make him visible/invisible?

In a word: Yes

He had power over the ring, he was the only being in Middle Earth who did, note what Gandalf says about Tom Bombadil in the CoE, somethin like:

"say not that he had power over the ring, only that the ring had no power over him"

It did not make Sauron invisible because Sauron had power over it.

Gandalf would not have run away from Sauron if it came to it, i dont think, even when he was the Grey he did not run from even the Balrog, as the White, he would not have run i dont think.

 

[GuardianRanger]

Duh, thats not what im saying, im saying, would Gandalf get crushed in seconds, or would he be able to hold out for longer? There no use debating if he'd win or lose, he would lose, but after how long?

Out of curiosity, why do you think he (Gandalf) would definitely lose? Sauron does not have the One Ring in the Third Age. They both are Maia.

I'm talking about one-on-one confrontation. No wraiths involved.

Of course this is all hypothetical.

 

[Celebthôl]

Out of curiosity, why do you think he (Gandalf) would definitely lose? Sauron does not have the One Ring in the Third Age. They both are Maia.

I'm talking about one-on-one confrontation. No wraiths involved.

Of course this is all hypothetical.

Thats what i meant aswell! Except i meant that Gandalf was White and Sauron had the ring. I.e. they were both at their full potential power-wise.

 

[Saucy]

well the awnser to that one is really dependent on the person who trys to awnser its outlook,

i mean it almost seems like a gd vs. evil question
wich can be debated for hours just like was the cup half full or half empty

 

[Celebthôl]

Well it obviously is that, tho its an easy answer, Sauron wins everytime, however neither are the source of good or evil, mearly offshoots of either, Sauron being a much stronger offshoot of evil than Gandalf is of good.

 

[Saucy]

i disagree, i mean if u think about it Sauron winning is simply to predictable, Gandalf the representive of the good side iam sure would kick Saurons ass, because sauron would be so confident of a win, that he would not be expecting gandalf's power to be so strong,
beisdes they are both fictional character and it is the nature of fictional characters to have the gd guy win.

 

[Celebthôl]

Hence why they never came face to face in battle, Gandalf would have lost, there is no doubt about it. The Wizards were picked especially as to be weaker than Sauron so that they could not be tempted to go up against him in a show of power, their mission was to coax the free peoples of Middle Earth into fighting for themselves against Sauron. Gandalf HAD to do this to survive in effect, there was no other way of winning.
Yes it's to predictable that Sauron would win, and for good reason, he would have. There wouldn't have been any underestimating done, Sauron is the most powerful being in Middle Earth at that time.

 

[Saucy]

but only with the ring, at the time when gandalf could of possible took him on he did not have the ring.
doesnt that make him more vulnerable to defeat?

 

[Celebthôl]

Quoth the raven

Gandalf was White and Sauron had the ring. I.e. they were both at their full potential power-wise.

 

[greypilgrim]

Let's not forget that at the peak of his power, Sauron allowed on measley human to chop off his evil hand.