Not to worry. JRRT wrote about *Silmarillion material* from about 1917 to 1973, so about 56 years. It's safe to assume that even his understanding of his own material was never complete ...
Not to worry. JRRT wrote about *Silmarillion material* from about 1917 to 1973, so about 56 years. It's safe to assume that even his understanding of his own material was never complete ...... and my understanding is yet incomplete.
*I imagine the gap to be about 6000 years; that is we are now at the end of the Fifth Age, if the Ages were of about the same length as S.A. and T.A. But they have, I think, quickened; and I imagine we are actually at the end of Sixth Age, or in the Seventh.
Many seem to take issue with the job he did on The Silmarillion.Hmmm, I might not take Christopher's word for it.
It's not that I disagree with the work he did to bring his father's work to us, it's more of a, I would only take J.R.R. Tolkien himself's word about Middle-Earth.Many seem to take issue with the job he did on The Silmarillion.
If by that you mean "author-published", it leaves LotR and TH - and the latter fits imperfectly into Middle-earth.I would only take J.R.R. Tolkien himself's word about Middle-Earth.
I'm going to reference the Art of War by Sun Tzu. Seeming contradictions and opposites can and do exist in the same continuum.If by that you mean "author-published", it leaves LotR and TH - and the latter fits imperfectly into Middle-earth.
Christopher Tolkien published endless words by his father. Unfortunately, over the 56 years of writing, they often contradicted themselves, or older unrevised parts could not be reconciled with newer parts. The second book collecting writings of JRRT'S published by Christopher Tolkien after the cobbled-together "Silmarillion" was named "Unfinished Tales" - a fitting heading for JRRT's life as a writer, often even in his professional field of philology.
True, but Christopher was no J.R.R.It should be noted that the elder and younger Tolkien collaborated extensively while the former was alive. Besides JRRT himself, there was no greater authority on the legendarium than Christopher Tolkien.
I can find no mention of a Second Music in my 2002 "The History of Middle-earth Index", only to the Second Prophecy of Mandos. (. . .) I (too) have a memory of *something music-like?* involving Men but not Elves at the End of Days. Possibly JRRT simply did not refer to it as the Second Music, so that there is no such entry in the Index volume.
There is the part in volume X "Morgoth's Ring", part four "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" where there is a hint at least of the (first) coming of Christ in the future (snip for brevity). I doubt it would have been included in any form of the Silmarillion hypothetically published by JRRT himself, no more than (. . .)
I think Christopher Tolkien felt this contradicted what Tolkien wrote of the Second Prophecy and so removed the Dagor Dagorath from The Silmarillion.
The Second Prophecy of Mandos isn't canon?
On a hunch, I checked the index volume for "Music of the Ainur", which yielded sub-entries "Second Music of the Ainur" for volume V, pp 157, 163, 166, and volume X pp 21, 37, 43.It's referred to as the Second Music of the Ainur in chapter one of Quenta Silmarillion, where indeed the Valar declare that Men shall join in the Second Music, whereas Ilúvatar has not revealed what he purposes for the Elves after the World's end.
It's a lot?Anyone want to venture a guess why I have never read a single volume of HoMe more than once cover-to-cover? 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
Where do the Unfinished Tales fall among this list? Also, is there a determined list of all the Middle-Earth books written by J.R.R. and published by him, Christopher, or Michael?12 volumes. I haven't gotten past the first volume, The Book of Lost Tales, Part One, myself.
Unfinished Tales was a follow-up to The Silmarillion. The success of UT led to the publication of The History of Middle-earth 12-volume series. The 'history' in the title I think refers more to Tolkien's forming the legendarium more than the in-story history. Other than different versions of certain stories it contains a lot of letters, essays, etc.Where do the Unfinished Tales fall among this list?
Wikipedia has a reliable bibliography, I believe.Also, is there a determined list of all the Middle-Earth books written by J.R.R. and published by him, Christopher, or Michael?
Cool, thanks!Unfinished Tales was a follow-up to The Silmarillion. The success of UT led to the publication of The History of Middle-earth 12-volume series. The 'history' in the title I think refers more to Tolkien's forming the stories more than the in-story history. Other than different versions of certain stories it contains a lot of letters, essays, etc.
Wikipedia has a reliable bibliography, I believe.
The twelve volumes of Christopher Tolkien's "The History of Middle-earth" total almost 5,300 pages. I bought and read them perhaps starting in the late 1980's, but most of them in the 1990's up to 1996, when the last volume was published. I never managed to finish volume III "The Lays of Beleriand".It's a lot?
Oh yes. But JRRT had actually first begun with language-building (apparently in mind-numbing detail, as he was an extremely competent philologist). He then got the feeling that a language needs a people speaking it, and recording their mythology, legends and history. And he kept switching from one pole to the other, at least early on. His writings on linguistics may be huge, but they probably need specialists' specialists to deal with them, so publication for a general audience similar to HoMe seems extremely unlikely.Anyway, all this sounds like lorebuilding, even the apparent contradictions. I perceive them working together well.
Anyone want to venture a guess why I have never read a single volume of HoMe more than once cover-to-cover? 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
Anyway, all this sounds like lorebuilding, even the apparent contradictions. I perceive them working together well.
No, it was never locked away.Maybe you misplaced the keys to your HOME library? Just a guess.
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