Second-guessing and Misunderstanding Tolkien

[Glorfindel Goldtress]

When Morgoth stole the Silmarils and killed the Two Trees, why didn't the Ainur and all the elves immediately chase humans imprison him again? Surely even Orome chasing after him could have saved a lot of bother.

Would've saved you a lot of bother if you'd read the book (and proofread your question).

Humans = him and

Using the Rudimentary Dictionary of the Autocorrect Corporation.

 

[Deimos]

Are you telling me that Sherlock Holmes isn't a real person?!

If I need to tell you I probably won't bother ... 🤐

Come Watson, let us depart the company of skeptics and make our way to the Diogenes Club.
Mycroft is a good fellow.... and he will have an excellent sherry on hand.

 

[Olorgando]

Come Watson, let us depart the company of skeptics and make our way to the Diogenes Club.
Mycroft is good company.... and he will have an excellent sherry on hand.

And after a few rounds you get Sherrylock Holmes *burp* 🥴

 

[Glorfindel Goldtress]

And after a few rounds you get Sherrylock Holmes *burp* 🥴

That's Sher to get you Locked up.

 

[Deimos]

And after a few rounds you get Sherrylock Holmes *burp* 🥴

Alcohol (and I'm sure you know this) was not Holmes' "escapist drug" of choice.

 

[Olorgando]

That's Sher to get you Locked up.

Are you shertain about that?

 

[Glorfindel Goldtress]

Are you shertain about that?

Yep, anyone who partakes will be in jail longing for their Holmes sweet Holmes.

 

[Olorgando]

Alcohol (and I'm sure you know this) was not Holmes' "escapist drug" of choice.

Morphine and occasionally cocaine, both still legal in 19th-century England. I doubt this was portrayed in any of the Rathbone / Bruce films, at least if they would be subject to the Hays Code in the US.

 

[Olorgando]

Yep, anyone who partakes will be in jail longing for their Holmes sweet Holmes.

Maybe where you live. No law against it in Shermany.

 

[Glorfindel Goldtress]

Maybe where you live. No law against it in Shermany.

Your Sheriffs sound locksidaisical.

 

[Olorgando]

Your Sheriffs sound locksidaisical.

We also don't have any She(i)r(r)iffs here. But then the Bavarian police drive around in BMW station wagons as patrol cars (and perhaps Audis, too, another Bavarian car brand).

(Where's that train wreck GIF?) 😏

 

[Glorfindel Goldtress]

We also don't have any She(i)r(r)iffs here. But then the Bavarian police drive around in BMW station wagons as patrol cars (and perhaps Audis, too, another Bavarian car brand).

(Where's that train wreck GIF?) 😏

 

[Olorgando]

Nice! 🙂
The one I remembered, though, had a broken bridge, the train coming from the left, and didn't show a Wile E. Coyote-style impact at the bottom of the gorge the bridge spanned. But then everything Radaghast digs up is a worse wreck than anything I've managed with my wildest tangents. Occasionally I have the impression that not all, sometimes none, can follow my inspired innovative insights ...

... which is a dang shame, as I sometimes get lost in my own trigonometry and could use outside help to understand it myself ... 😬

 

[Glorfindel Goldtress]

a Wile E. Coyote-style impact

That was the reference I didn't know I needed till now.

 

[Ent]

Alcohol (and I'm sure you know this) was not Holmes' "escapist drug" of choice.

No. But it was Watson's remedy for just about any ailment in the Sherlockian Canon..!!
Fainting? booze. Stomache ills? booze. A sting by The Lion's Mane? booze. Completely missing the boat on the right deductions? booze.

I used to say most of Sherlock's 'deductions' were actually 'inductions'... which is actually quite the bit more amazing, since induction is far more difficult for folks than deduction. Certainly was for Watson. And poor Doyle himself didn't ever quite get there in sharing what his Sherlockian works were really demonstrating. Yet he was wise in leaving it to his readers to 'deduce.'

He did get us so very close we can deduce it ourselves, as he said such things as 'from a drop of water...a logician could infer the possibiility of an Atlantic or a Niagara without having seen or heard of one or the other.' And 'pray tell me what it is that you can infer from this hat?' and many othere instances. There are 38 references to 'infer', 'inference' and inferences'. Yet he called it the 'science of deduction'.

Holmes' work was 'the science of deduction' because he spent a great deal of time inferring from the minutia, and once develiping his body of 'probabilities' he was enabled to 'deduce' the solution to the situation at hand correctly, many if not most of the times. Thus it's a 'science'... involving more induction than deduction but one united whole.

You probably all know this and I'm babbling nonsensically, but it took me some time to put it all together back in the day.

Thank you for bringing Sherlock to the fore for a moment.... quite nostalgiac for me.

 

[Radaghast]

What would J. R.R. Tolkien think of Savantsquatches: imaginary or fictional beings that combine characteristics of savants and savants-asquatches, often used in creative or speculative contexts?

 

[Ent]

Savantsquatches

Ent is clearly missing something here. Whaaa...???

 

[Glorfindel Goldtress]

What would J. R.R. Tolkien think of Savantsquatches: imaginary or fictional beings that combine characteristics of savants and savants-asquatches, often used in creative or speculative contexts?

Huh, must be based on the mythical creature, the sasquatch. I only know the name, but nothing else really. Whatever savants are.

 

[Ent]

Savant:
1. a person of learning
especially : one with detailed knowledge in some specialized field (as of science or literature)

2. a person affected with a developmental disorder (such as autism or intellectual disability) who exhibits exceptional skill or brilliance in some limited field (such as mathematics or music)

I have no idea how to relate Savant to an 'asquatch' or a sasquatch and have never heard of a Savant Sasquatch... though we've had many fine discussions deep in the woods where they can't be seen. They're a little short on book learning but are very well experienced at hide-and-go-seek-games.

In terms of what Tolkien would think regarding a 'Savant asquatch' or a Savant Sasquatch well.... I'm sure he would give it every ounce of consideration it is due.

 

[Olorgando]

In terms of what Tolkien would think regarding a 'Savant asquatch' or a Savant Sasquatch well.... I'm sure he would give it every ounce of consideration it is due.

Hey, another definition of Zero! 😁