Originally posted by ithrynluin
Oh-key....I guess you could call that a theory - but RD,you explain nothing about the way the mirror works.
But the Mirror will also show things unbidden, and those are often stranger and more profitable than things which we wish to behold
For it shows things that were, and things that are, and things that yet may be.
What you will see, if you leave the Mirror free to work, I cannot tell
But the Mirror will also show things unbidden
If it is the subconcious of the watcher that selects the images, it is obvious that the images shown seem unbidden to the watcher. My theory is, let me remind you, that out of the vast selection of things that could be seen through Galadriel's eyes, the watcher subconciously chooses which are of interest to him. And that fits perfectly with all the quotes you objected.With water from the stream Galadriel filled the basin to the brim, and breathed on it, and when the water was still again she spoke. `Here is the Mirror of Galadriel,'
Galadriel means, I think, that she is also thinking of the source of the troubled times, Sauron. I think that she suspects that Frodo saw the Eye, or perhaps she saw the Eye in the Mirror as well. But by "it is inmy mind also" (or whatever) she meant that she had also been thinking and worrying about Sauron, and the Ring."I know what did you saw, because it is also in my mind" (maybe not the exact quote) Galadriel knew what the mirrow shows, maybe it was some kind of telepatic stuff or...
Originally posted by Pontifex
Another thing: why didn't Galadriel want Frodo to touch the water? She says "Do not touch the water", so it sounds like nobody is allowed to touch the surface of the Mirror.. Perhaps if you touch it you turn into a star and have to use shades wherever you go; after all, it was the light from the star of Eärendil that supposedly gave the Mirror its powers... Or not, I'm just speculating here.
Ok ok I have to be not so lazy and look for the quote form the letters of JRRT, I promise I will have them this afternoon. the mirrow is magic but just in the eyes of the hobbits, men and dwarves, but for the elves it is not magic, Galadriel do not undestood this word and the elves that gave the food and everything to the Fellowship when they leave Lorien also did not understand it, for them is the work of their very own hands and they have an hability beyond the knowledge of the other races.You say it yourself. The Mirror is just a plain basin of water. And it is magic.
the telepatic theory is not so good
"Two persons, each using a Stone 'in accord' with the other, could converse, but not by sound, which the Stones did not transmit. Looking one at the other they would exchange 'thought' --not their full or true thought, or their intentions, but 'silent speech,' the thoughts they wished to transmit (already fromalized in linguistic form in their minds or actually spoken aloud), which would be received by their respondents and of course immediately transformed into 'speech,' and only reportable as such."
Good! Aja! de la lengua de Cervantes...No se use nada del doble negativo en ingles. Tee-hee. But the Mirror-Palantir comparison is coming- the above quote was just a teaser!
Posted by Rumil
You say it yourself. The Mirror is just a plain basin of water
Posted by Rumil
If it is the subconcious of the watcher that selects the images, it is obvious that the images shown seem unbidden to the watcher. My theory is, let me remind you, that out of the vast selection of things that could be seen through Galadriel's eyes, the watcher subconciously chooses which are of interest to him. And that fits perfectly with all the quotes you objected.
What you will see, if you leave the Mirror free to work, I cannot tell
apparatus? is not the same as mechanism? or my dictionary have to be wrong!...and so to the Machine (or Magic). By the last I intend all use of external plans or devices (apparatus) instead of developments of the inherent inner powers or talents-
Where did you get that?From which we can gather that Galadriel does not use a machine,
Galadriel does not use a Machine, she uses "magic", the power of her mind.
Originally posted by Rúmil
IMO, the Mirror is an example of Telepathy; it is only a support for the magic to operate. It's like the screen of a cinema; the place where everything happens, all the technical thingies, are in the projector, not in the screen. The screen is just a detail; so is the Mirror. Without Galadriel, the Mirror has no power in itself, just as the screen is useless without the projector, to continue on with my lame comparison.
Galadriel uses her Ring to preserve Lórien, but if Ring-making came back into fashion at the end of the Third Age she would take no part in it. That particular Machine is an exception.But the Elvish weakness is in these terms naturally to regret the past, and to become unwilling to face change: as if a man were to hate a very long book still going on, and wished to settle down in a favourite chapter. Hence they fell in a measure to Sauron's deceits: they desired some 'power' over things as they are (which is quite distinct from art), to make their particular will to preservation effective: to arrest change, and keep things always fresh and fair. The 'Three Rings' were 'unsullied', because this object was in a limited way good, it included the healing of the real damages of malice, as well as the mere arrest of change; and the Elves did not desire to dominate other wills, nor to usurp all the world to their particular pleasure.
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