I posted this question in The Silmarillion forum but it wasn't answered adequately
Now Sauron knew well, as did all in that land, the fate that was decreed for the hound of Valinor, and it came into his thought that he himself would accomplish it. Therefore he took upon himself the form of a werewolf, and made himself the mightiest that had yet walked the world; and he came forth to win the passage of the bridge.....
So great was the horror of his approach that Huan leaped aside. Then Sauron sprang upon Lúthien; and she swooned before the menace of the fell spirit in his eyes and the foul vapour of his breath. But even as he came, falling she cast a fold of her dark cloak before his eyes; and he stumbled, for a fleeting drowsiness came upon him.
Then Morgoth recalled the doom of Huan, and he chose one from among the whelps of the race of Draugluin; and he fed him with his own hand upon living flesh, and put his power upon him.k Shere the fire and anguish of hell entered into him, and he became filled with a devouring spirit, tormented, terrible, and strong. Carcharoth, the Red Mar, he is named in the tales of those days, and Anfauglir, the Jaws of Thirst. . . . . when they [Beren and Luthien] approached he [Carcharoth] denied them entry, and bade them stand; and he drew near with menace, scenting somehting strange in th air about them. But suddenly some power, descended fro of old from dvince race, possessed Luthien, and casting back herfoul raiment she stood orth, small before the might of Carcharoth, but radiant and terrible. Lifting up her hand she commanded him to sleep, saing: 'O woe-begotten spirit, fall now into the dark oblivion, and forget for a while the dreadful doom of life.' And Carcharoth was felled, as though lightning had smitten him. . . . For they came to the seatof Moroth in his nethermot hall, that was upheld by horror, lit by fire, and filled with weapons of death and torment. THere Beren slunk in wolf's form beneath his throne; but Luthien was stripped of her discguise by the will of Morgoth, and he bent his gaze upon her. SHe was not daunted by his eyes; and named her own name, and ffered her service to sing before him, after the maner of a minstrel. THen Morgoth looking pon her beauty conceived in his thought an evil lust, and a design more dark than any that had yet come into his heart since he fled from Valinor. Thus he ws hbeguiled byu his own malice, for he watchd her, leaving her free or a while, and taking secret pleasure in his thougt. THen sddenly she eluded his sight, nd out of the shadows began a song of such surpassing loveliness, and of such blinding power, that he listend perforce. . . . Then Luthien catching up her winged robe sprang into the air, and her voice came dropping down like rain into pools, profound and dark. She cast her cloak before his eyes, and set upon him a dream, dark as the Outer Void where once he walked alone. Suddenly he fell as a hill sliding in avalanche and hurled like thunder from his throne lay prone upon the doors of hell.
Now Sauron knew well, as did all in that land, the fate that was decreed for the hound of Valinor, and it came into his thought that he himself would accomplish it. Therefore he took upon himself the form of a werewolf, and made himself the mightiest that had yet walked the world; and he came forth to win the passage of the bridge.....
So great was the horror of his approach that Huan leaped aside. Then Sauron sprang upon Lúthien; and she swooned before the menace of the fell spirit in his eyes and the foul vapour of his breath. But even as he came, falling she cast a fold of her dark cloak before his eyes; and he stumbled, for a fleeting drowsiness came upon him.
Originally posted by ithrynluin
I posted this question in The Silmarillion forum but it wasn't answered adequately.So I would like my fellow Tolkienologists to ponder about it
It is more a series of minor questions than one great question.
Alright.What do you think,where did the ship that bore the Ring-bearers go? To Eressea or Valinor? I always wondered about that. What about Gimli and Legolas? Were these "special" mortals allowed only to Eressea or to Valinor also?
After the War of Wrath,the Ban of the Valar was lifted from the Noldorin elves,yet it remained upon Galadriel because she refused to return to Aman - I find this extremely illogical;why keep the Ban just because she had not the desire to return?Did the Valar forbid the free choice of the Firstborn?Were they just a bit hypocritical and arrogant?
You know this topic has been puzzling me too for a few days now (actually it's because I just completed an essay about the Palantíri over at the TolkienWiki).
Each Palantír replied to each, but all those in Gondor were ever open to the view of Osgiliath.
TTT - The Palantír
In HoMe VII (The Palantír) we find:...only the surveyor using the Master Stone of Osgiliath could "eavesdrop."
UT - The Palantíri
Foster usually is rather "laid back" in his statements and at the time he wrote his Guide he had no access to the HoME or the UT. But IMO none of the quotes I found so far fully justifies this statement, I wonder if I have been looking in the right places...But the chief and master .... [?of (the) stones] was at Osgiliath before it was ruined.
Originally posted by Walter
PS: Lhunithiliel finding - and giving - quotes very fast is no problem if you have the texts accessible electronically. One can be rather ignorant - like myself - and still appear pretty "full of knowledge" with the right tools...
Good thing I didn't insert the "like myself" in that part of the sentence, huh?Originally posted by Confusticated
LOL..sorry Walter, but quoting things from the book does not make someone look full of knowledge...
For here dwelt the primeval spirit Moru whom even the Valar know not whence or when she came, and the folk of Earth have given her many names. Mayhap she was bred of mists and darkness on the confines of the Shadowy Seas, in that utter dark that came between the overthrow of the Lamps and the kindling of the Trees, but more she has always been.
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