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Discussion The Works of Curufinwë (discussion)

We rarely get to see any interactions between Maedhros and Curufin if it's not fighting when it comes to other people's writing, so I wasn't sure what to expect reading this.
It's true their ways of expressing themselves and their general attitudes/outlooks on life are quite different, which increases the potential for misunderstanding and conflict. But I think Maedhros would still be trying to understand what's troubling Curufin.

Here, he does figure out the root cause (or a major cause, at least), and uses an affectionate gesture that Fëanor would use when tucking a young Curufin into bed. Curufin misses Fëanor, and the grief has never really been soothed or recovered from.
Of course the brothers would expect Curufin to still miss Fëanor, but it's one thing to know that somewhere in their mind, and another thing to act on it and try and help in some way (especially as the brothers also have their own preoccupations and troubles to take care of). Added to that, Curufin is so reserved that it's difficult to tell when he's struggling, and he may not accept help due to his own pride.


I think it makes sense for Curufin to only show those raw emotions and vulnerability in his dreams and subconscious. He won't allow himself to feel week if he was awake.
Exactly. And at this point he's so numb that he often just doesn't recognise/process his emotions at all (he doesn't even realise he's anxious when he leaves his tent in that scene!).

He would normally express these vulnerable feelings to Fëanor. But Fëanor is not there, and has not been there for a long time. And so Curufin's dream self tries to go to the Halls of Mandos to look for him, in his heart's desperation.


I also think Celegorm's avoidance of grief was very in character of him. He doesn't handle sudden surges of emotions very well, and tries to busy himself with whatever he can until he can process his thoughts by himself later on.
I think Celegorm and Caranthir would have a similar reaction here. They would want to be alone and wait for their own intense emotions and initial reactions to pass before trying to help anyone. Because they know if they're upset they can easily get into arguments and make things worse. Later on, however, they would be more able to provide their support (in their own particular ways).
 
Segment 4&5:

This hurt a lot to read, and I dare say more than chapter 7.

This... purposelessness was perhaps harder for read compared to the more action scenes. They are all depressed and just suicidal in so many ways. Their lives are basically over. They have no Silmaril, no kingdom to care for, and their king and last ally is gone. They have nothing. They are nothing, and that is just a fact they have to live with.

And is it really living, what they are doing right now? They eat and sleep and breathe, but any hope for any future is gone. (I relate to this, as you know.)

The grief and darkness which came with Celebrimbor's unknown fate hit hard. The 3Cs moment was very sweet to watch, which makes me realize how little our gang tends to focus on them because being the middle children probably made them closer to each other.

I think Celegorm's words fit his mental state at that point perfectly. It also matched his thoughts in ADttP.
He doesn't really care about what happens to himself or the people of Doriath anymore. All that he cares about is his brothers' happiness.

The last moment between the two of them is probably all the vulnerability he is going to show at that point is this one single sentence. He'd die, just so his brother could live again. (Not knowing this would be the last straw to Curufin's sanity.)


I wasn't quite expecting Maedhros and his slowly but surely decline of health, but I think it fit the idea of his eventual suicide. The only things convincing him to keep going are his little brothers, but when he lose them and eventually lose the twins and is burned by the jewel, he is ready to let go.
 
The last moment between the two of them is probably all the vulnerability he is going to show at that point is this one single sentence. He'd die, just so his brother could live again.
You exactly captured the feeling I was going for with Celegorm's portrayal. Though I just had a feeling or image in my mind, your words here describe it well.
 
Here is a song I listened to frequently while writing Chapter 11.


From the video description:

Music & vocals by Farya Faraji, poem attributed to Aneirin.

Please note that this isn't reconstructed period music, only modern music with an ancient theme. After covering Old Irish and Gaulish, I wanted to do a song in Old Welsh; Welsh being my favourite Celtic language of the bunch. I decided to put to music some verses from the epic Y Gododdin, which may be the earliest known piece of preserved Welsh literature. The poem was written somewhere between the 7th and 11th centuries, and is traditionally attributed to a figure named Aneirin, who was a Brythonic poet of the 6th century A.D. It consists of elegies to Brythonic warriors who banded together somewhere in the 500's, in the Hen Ogledd region, or the "Old North," a region crystallised in medieval Celtic memory as one of the last strongholds of Celtic resistance against the invading Anglo-Saxons at the twilight of Antiquity.

Indeed, the poem's story details the heroic defeat of the Brythonic Celts at the hand of the Angles. Mynyddog Mwynfawr, ruler of the kingdom of Gododdin in the Hen Ogledd, banded together warriors with whom he feasted and drank for a year, before the attack against the Angles at a site called Catraeth, in which they all perished against insurmountable odds.

The instrumentation consists of that which is typical in Celtic regions of Great-Britain today, with a simple frame drum, a Celtic harp, a fiddle, a flute, as well as an ancient lyre the likes of which were played in the region at the time in which the poem set. The melody is written in a fashion typical of music of the region, where pentatonic passages intermingle with heptatonic passages, creating an incredibly bittersweet sound with both happiness and sadness, something I believe captures the tone of the poem: a people, the Celts, who know that their twilight is upon them, but who will nevertheless fight even knowing they will be defeated, as the sun sets on their era, and as the era of the Anglo-Saxons arrives.

Lyrics in a mixture of Old and Middle-Welsh:
Gwyr a aeth gatraeth gan wawr
Trauodynt en hed eu hovnawr
Milcant a thrychant a emdaflawr
Gwyarllyt gwynnodynt waewawr
Ef gorsaf yng gwryaf eg gwryawr
Rac gosgord mynydawc mwynvawr

English translation:
Men went to Catraeth with the dawn.
Their fears left them,
A hundred thousand and three hundred clashed together.
They stained their spears, splashed with blood,
He was at the forefront, foremost in battle,
Before the retinue of Mynyddog Mwynfawr.

The part I highlighted in green above is one of the reasons I feel the song fits this chapter. To me it seems that the death of Celebrimbor and the destruction of Eregion marks the end of an ancient era, yet one that I feel is closer to us than the earlier deeds and events of the First Age. The First Age seems more like myth, but the story of Celebrimbor seems to be right on the edge of history.
I got the same feeling from thinking and writing about Celebrimbor's story in this chapter as I did when visiting ancient Celtic and pre-Roman sites in Great Britain, Ireland and Europe. Listening to this song also reminded me of this feeling.
 
I'll always have a soft spot for songs like this, Celtic especially. I am fond of the tales of the old heroes, even those who could Not really be considered heroic, such as Cu Chulainn. Old tragedies of that period usually held an air of dying nobility in them, and it was very touching to read or hear.
I hope to one day capture some of that when I make my own retellings of the Arthurian legend, for it will be based on something older than Mallory.
 
Chapter 10:


Even though it's been quite some time since I read that chapter, everything is pretty vivid in my mind. (Wished it wasn't! 😭)

Where do I start? Caranthir's fate stood out to me the most. He probably had to die as lonely as he was in life. 🥺
But of course, his first concern was his family and his brothers. I just love this guy, and Tyelko wished he could be there and hug him and tell him everything was going to be all right. 🥺
(And so does Madi)

And then, we lose the other brother much more quickly. We've talked about how similar we see Tyelko's death in one of my versions and TWC, but I wasn't quite expecting this.

And of course, Curvo's reaction was just so heartbreaking, more so to sea this supposedly calm and collected person watch his world come to ruin in front of his eyes again and again because of this dude and his parents. Maybe if Curvo was thinking more clearly, he would have survived. 🥺

The fight between them was very well-written and easy to follow. Even knowing what was gonna happen, I couldn't help but cheer on Curvo every time he landed a hit, and want to slap Dior on his pretty face whenever he hurt my baby.

And of course, the ending. 🙂
Dying from a broken heart before he could die from his wounds (mostly to spite Dior) is a very Curvo thing to do.

I'm proud of you, lil bro, even if you can't be. 🥺
 
Where do I start? Caranthir's fate stood out to me the most. He probably had to die as lonely as he was in life. 🥺
But of course, his first concern was his family and his brothers. I just love this guy, and Tyelko wished he could be there and hug him and tell him everything was going to be all right. 🥺
(And so does Madi)
He's practical to the end. 🫡
No hesitating now, Curvo, you go and help the brother who still has a chance.


And then, we lose the other brother much more quickly. We've talked about how similar we see Tyelko's death in one of my versions and TWC, but I wasn't quite expecting this.
That's very often how it goes in hand to hand combat like this. Your opponent sees an opportunity and hits the right spot, and it's suddenly over. It's a matter of chance as well as skill. Though skill and strength can definitely improve your chances of defeating your opponent, they are not a guarantee.


And of course, the ending. 🙂
Dying from a broken heart before he could die from his wounds (mostly to spite Dior) is a very Curvo thing to do.
After Curufin delivers his killing blow with the dagger, Dior is not even a concern of his anymore. Only the Silmaril, and his failure to retrieve it.

So I wouldn't say he dies to spite Dior in particular. It's more because there is no longer any point in lingering.
(however, there would certainly be spite amidst the turmoil of emotions he experiences, so you did pick up something that was there under the surface)

Throughout his life, even after experiencing great tragedies, Curufin never consciously entertained any suicidal thoughts.
While there was still the possibility of doing something, anything, to fulfil his Oath and support his brothers in doing the same, he clung to this with determination. Despite his overall depressed and pessimistic outlook, I would not say he was completely without hope. That was still there, buried deeply.

But once he feels himself close to death, with nothing more to be done, and no more hope for him to continue on with anything, that one last strong thread tying his spirit to his body snaps, and he gives in to the full expression of his pain. Which ends his life entirely.
But Curufin's mind gives up, and his spirit throws itself violently from his body, which drops like a rag doll to the bloodstained floor.


I'm proud of you, lil bro, even if you can't be. 🥺
Thanks bro.
 
Chapter 5

Curufin glances over at Celebrimbor. The boy... He smiles. He cannot exactly call him a boy any longer, as the youth has surpassed his height.
Hehe, I know this isn't a great feat, but still! Lil Tyelpë is growing up!

The skill of his hand will surely match Fëanor's, someday. As for the skill of his mind... well, there is something Curufin is not quite sure of yet.
Oof. Kind of a roast from Curufin there!

And while he makes and mends many things for their people, open to requests from anyone, the rest of his time is spent... fiddling around. Creating some strange item, taking it apart, putting it back together, destroying it and creating something else. He is clearly experimenting with different techniques, and that is understandable, but Curufin cannot see an obvious end goal, or even a clear train of thought connecting his projects. Fëanor's interests, purposes and desires had always burned brightly in the sight of his close family at least, if not in the sight of all.
In seriousness, this is a really interesting characterization of Celebrimbor, and I haven't really seen anything like it in the fandom before. I can kind of feel Curufin's frustration, too, as someone who is extremely future-oriented and vision-focused myself. I tend to worry when I see someone without a clear goal for the future, and not really taking active steps to achieve that future.

Celebrimbor is looking into the Sun. "But something no lesser in consequence could be made, though it must be different in quality."

Curufin raises his eyebrows. Now these are ambitious thoughts.
Ah good, here's Celebrimbor proving Curufin's impression wrong, at least in part!

Slowly, a smile forms on his face. Celebrimbor. Hand of Silver. Perhaps his son should have been named after quicksilver instead. The metal that cannot be moulded to hold a shape, remaining molten no matter how it is constrained. Celebrimbor's thoughts had flowed around Curufin's words, merely acknowledging them without being halted or persuaded.
Now that's a really interesting take on the meaning of Celebrimbor too.

Now Tyelpë, just be careful not to let yourself be shaped or molded by any smith by the name of "Annatar," mmkay?

Curufin's gaze lands upon the pulley system of the pole he is standing under. He had designed and crafted it himself. It functions perfectly, and is pleasing to the eye.
Yet now the excitement of making something new has worn off, it looks so, so ordinary. He looks over at the pulley on the next pole, this one crafted by his son. They work equally well, they are shaped in the same way, but... the difference is clear.
Possible my brain skipped over something important, but I didn't really get what the difference is between Celebrimbor's creation and Curufin's here. Is Curufin's more pleasing to the eye?

Great chapter, overall! I really liked how it's sort of a study of the contrasting ideals and philosophies of Celebrimbor and Curufin. And Celebrimbor is striking me as a really chill, amiable bro who's happy to help out. He definitely seems like the sort of guy who would make a door whose password is "speak 'friend' and enter!"
 
Hehe, I know this isn't a great feat, but still! Lil Tyelpë is growing up!
Hey. I'll have you know I am a Noldo of Average Size. My family are the outliers here. >_>


Oof. Kind of a roast from Curufin there!
Lol. Curvo's private thoughts are Blunt, to say the least.


In seriousness, this is a really interesting characterization of Celebrimbor, and I haven't really seen anything like it in the fandom before. I can kind of feel Curufin's frustration, too, as someone who is extremely future-oriented and vision-focused myself. I tend to worry when I see someone without a clear goal for the future, and not really taking active steps to achieve that future.
I do enjoy writing Celebrimbor. He's very practical and logical like his dad, but he doesn't have the tendency to overthink things (and therefore get stressed/angsty/emotional about those things). Stoic, but friendly and willing to help out with whatever needs to be done.

He does have his own dreams and ambitions, and a desire to achieve mastery in his craft, but the way he pursues them is quite different to the way Curufin would. He just works away at it on his own, keeping it to himself and not really talking about it, since to him, it's just an extension of his own private thoughts in his head.

(My Celebrimbor is probably an ISTP - Ti,Se,Ni,Fe - so his cognitive functions are very much geared towards real-world, in-the-moment practicality, and his Ni is not very obvious/prominent, it's buried deep in his thoughts)



Possible my brain skipped over something important, but I didn't really get what the difference is between Celebrimbor's creation and Curufin's here. Is Curufin's more pleasing to the eye?
Curufin thinks his work looks very ordinary compared to his son's. It's the same lingering issue from the first chapter, when little Curvo asks Fëanor why his green gem doesn't 'look like him', the way Fëanor's work reflects its maker in some intangible way.

Even though Curufin's work functions as it should, and is crafted well, it still lacks that extra 'something' that comes from the heart/inspiration of its maker. So it's more of a spiritual 'elven magic' kind of thing than a physical problem with his work. Celebrimbor's work, however, does 'look like' its maker. Hence Curufin noticing a clear difference between their creations, even though they're both crafted following Curufin's design.

And then this thought comes to him:
Curufin's expression becomes fixed, blank, as he considers. Only his brothers ask him to make things for them. He is the one who offers to craft things for anyone else. Or else he simply sees something that needs doing and does it. When his people are the ones taking initiative, they ask Celebrimbor every time.

He reasons it away with logic, but still feels unsettled and disappointed.
An obvious reason does exist. His people may well be too anxious or overawed, unwilling to ask their chieftain to repair or construct what might be classed as ordinary things.
Curufin decides this must be the case. After all, as the lord of Himlad's Eastern Fortress, he has greater responsibilities than these to attend to.
Yet the qualm within him still lingers.



Great chapter, overall! I really liked how it's sort of a study of the contrasting ideals and philosophies of Celebrimbor and Curufin. And Celebrimbor is striking me as a really chill, amiable bro who's happy to help out. He definitely seems like the sort of guy who would make a door whose password is "speak 'friend' and enter!"
Glad you liked it!
This whole fanfiction is a kind of character study really, but it's most obvious in this chapter. This chapter took me so long to write actually, even though it's short compared to many of the others. I knew what I wanted to portray, but I needed to find the right words for all this to come out in the course of an ordinary conversation. Each piece of the dialogue between father and son was its own writing session! Like I'd write what Curufin says one day, then I'd write Celebrimbor's response the next. 🫠

And Celebrimbor is striking me as a really chill, amiable bro who's happy to help out.
Yeah. Pretty much. That's him. 😂
 
@Server Room Gremlin, Finally, I have come to the culmination of your work! *Mourns*

Curufin treads lightly through a deserted hallway, his bloodied sword in his right hand and his bitterly sharp knife in his left. He has lost sight of his brothers in the beautifully carven labyrinth of the Thousand Caves.
Ah, and of course we've moved right into where we knew we would be. Three last stands.

I found the tiered manner of their deaths fascinating. It seems the further along each son died, the more gruesome the manner of their death's description became. It could also be a mark of investment through the perspective of Curufin. Perhaps because he is closer to Celegorm and then closest to himself, we naturally are invited an increasingly visceral look at their dooms.

Curufin freezes, stopped in his tracks.
Dior stoops, pulling his sword out of the half-severed neck. Blood gushes out, spreading over the floor.
Then he turns, straightening up slowly, to face Curufin.
Somehow, this could not be clearer to me: They're obviously going to kill each other. The scene is very vividly recorded, leaving no doubt as to ascertaining the consequent result.

I thought it was interesting the Light motif returns, which Curufin seems to pick out in the members of his family. He now focuses upon Dior, who was not and never has been in Valinor, who could not have the light of the Two Trees... and yet, Curufin still looks for light.
...There is none of that Light visible around Dior at present. Perhaps it is hidden on his person somewhere.
...He shall die, regardless.
In the previous occurrences with Curufin observing his brothers' spirit light, it appears this is rather the same case here he unconsciously commits. Finding no spirit light in Dior, it is almost like Curufin does not see him as having a spirit..., but he will kill him anyway and relieve him of it. And in the next moment, we see a different sort of light...
Dior makes no answer, but steps forward, the angry light in his eyes mirroring Curufin’s.
Perhaps this is conversely the only light Dior sees in Curufin even with his Tree-lit sense.

It feels as if when both are in the process of dying time has slowed down. Intriguing, isn't it, how much one can think of seconds before death.
...I was near. So very near to retrieving this Silmaril. And yet... here I shall die without having even touched it. Let alone the other two still in the Enemy's grasp.
All is lost for me. This one endeavour of mine was so near to... some kind of completion. Despite everything. And yet... like everything else... it remains undone. Ruined and undone.


Curufin's heart brings him a strange, paradoxical elation, as if to comfort him in his last moments, when in his whole life he has never cared enough to search his own heart at all, which is perhaps where he could have found the inspiration for truly great works, like those made by his father. If he had only tried.
Ironically, it seems Curufin has come to terms with his inability to create lasting work in light of failing to complete the Oath. The strange sort of "comfort" in which it appears the last failure, greatest of them all, could not begin to matter with the line of his other "failures". Such implies he did not have the heart to actually complete any of these outward ambitions. It makes one wonder "if he had only tried", what would have been different? Had he not tried to create? Had he not tried to fulfill the Oath? But all along, he had not, so it appears. Perhaps it is freeing for him to not have to "try" any longer...

Curufin smiles twice in this chapter. I still recall the irony of him being known to smile in tense situations. But I find it contrasting on the occasions here in which he smiles. First, he smiles at the manner in which he strikes at Dior, and lastly, he smiles at his unachievements, finding it fitting in his life.
Imagine such is the expression on his face when his brothers reach his fallen side...

And now, we move to Celebrimbor.
Celebrimbor looks up at the tall, imposing visitor in the simple grey and maroon robes, with his silvery white hair, porcelain skin and shining sky-blue eyes. A hush falls over the warm and cloudless day, and no breath of wind stirs the dust of the cobbles outside the hall of the Jewel-smiths. Its doors are wide open, as they usually are on days of fine weather.
A hint of a smile shows on Celebrimbor’s face. He gestures for the newcomer to follow him inside. From his curious introduction of himself and his purposes, it seems this Annatar and he will have much to talk about.
I found your depiction of Annatar to be quite unique amidst all the fan works I've encountered. My first impression was I did not recognize him until you stated his name. But I was pleased to find in Celebrimbor's eyes there would be nothing to show this visitor as the Deceiver. Something I think many authors and artists do not invite the impression of seeing.

The interactions we are given of the two of them, from Celebrimbor's perspective through which we read, does not entirely give us reason to, if we did not know, suspect anything out of line. Now, with our hindsight, it is easy for us to say this is Sauron, yet in all his mannerisms, Annatar here does not act like Sauron. I think that is something many authors especially do not show. In every fanfic with him included, it is so evident to us Annatar is Sauron by how he acts and looks, especially how he acts. Here, it is not so. He acts quite... normal. You have removed the bias of hindsight and knowledge. Annatar is not as obvious as we believe him to be. He's not the Deceiver in disguise for nothing. Here, Celebrimbor, even with the miniscule misgivings he brushes aside incognizantly, is reasonable. It's not so cut and dried an enemy we are looking in the face, and I believe you are the first to give us an unbiased perspective of the author's knowledge. There are things that are "odd" yes, but in Celebrimbor's eyes would not draw suspicion due to the way he interprets and idealizes. We do not see negatively-connotated emotions from Annatar. And such makes much more sense than the egotistical, manipulative Annatar most are writing. While Sauron is indeed deceiving Celebrimbor, it is Annatar he lets take center stage to bury the "obvious". It is intriguing you have chosen to have Annatar give Celebrimbor a ring initially. A dangerous move, cleverly hidden significance before the contemplating Celebrimbor. Annatar and Celebrimbor have the same ideas. Sauron and Celebrimbor do not.

Celebrimbor is there alone, gazing at another ring.
It holds no power of its own. It does not even have the kind of beauty that leaps readily to the eye. Annatar, for all his pleasant unexpected quirks, would not look twice at such a thing.
That darkened, twisted steel does not shine one bit in the light, yet it so clearly reflects someone worth more to Celebrimbor than all the works of his hands. He has not looked at it since Nargothrond, but it has always lain as an unseen weight in his belt pocket.

He clenches it in his fist, face angered but eyes sad.
And I will not look at it again.
His father should have made so much more than this small thing. But somehow, for some reason, the chance was stolen from him, and he never made anything in the way Fëanor did.
Nothing remains of him but this. No-one but Celebrimbor knows about it. And unlike the Silmarils or the Seeing-stones, no-one would care even if they knew. For even Curufin himself cast it aside.

For the first time in the Sun-lit years of the world, Celebrimbor’s eyes grow moist with tears. He returns the ring to its pocket, and walks down the deserted pathway to his own house, which lies in the midst of the garden. Its white façade shines a gentle pink and gold in the light of the setting sun.
🥺
Noooo, Tyelpë. You are still your father's son. And yet, your grandfather's grandson.

The Three Rings are not just for the preservation of Middle-Earth. They are the preservation of the past for the future in the present.
It is this, more than anything, which provides Celebrimbor the courage to stand.
Eregion has been laid waste.

Celebrimbor stands alone before the hall of the Jewel-smiths, facing the leader of the enemy forces.
Annatar. Sauron. Come to claim what he calls his own.

A mob of shrieking, snarling Orcs surrounds Celebrimbor. The brutish soldiers do not close in on him yet, wary of his blade and the light of his eyes. Sauron stands behind the mob, merely watching, with a wrathful, callous eye.

Celebrimbor knows he will never give away the location of the Three Rings. Regardless of what happens next.
To reveal them to Sauron would be to destroy the very purpose they were created for. It would go against his design for them, and any pain, heartbreak or death he may personally encounter as a result of this design is quite simply irrelevant.

The fates of the Three Rings, Narya, Nenya and Vilya, are now unbound from him.
And yet, they are wholly bound to him...

Well, we have arrived at long last, the works of Curufinwë immortalized for all, to the end.

What can one say at the end of such a journey? It's quite clear you've lived the story and not just written it. You became the Curufinwë's and delivered. Strange how incomplete works can sometimes be more complete than those which are. I'm not sure if you intended it, but in a way, this work is left incomplete. The ending of the ending you chose not to include. I find such artful. But also, thank you for not ending with Tyelpë's death. 🥺
Sometimes, to be a work incomplete is more profound for all... 💍
 
I found the tiered manner of their deaths fascinating. It seems the further along each son died, the more gruesome the manner of their death's description became. It could also be a mark of investment through the perspective of Curufin. Perhaps because he is closer to Celegorm and then closest to himself, we naturally are invited an increasingly visceral look at their dooms.
It is also because, as the battle stretches on, the combatants become wearier. More desperate, less careful. Their hatred and anger increases. All this means they are less likely to hesitate at an opportunity to strike, and strike hard.

It gets more close and personal too as they all get more desperate to kill the other (and avenge their losses) before they are killed themselves.
Caranthir's mortal wound was inflicted at a spear's distance away. Dior did not hold back at this opportunity to rid himself of one of his assailants, and shattered his primary weapon with the force of the blow he inflicted. Then he drew his sword, and the fight continued.
Celegorm was killed at a sword's distance away, a sword held at arm's length.
Curufin was killed at no distance away, held in Dior's grasp. Likewise, Curufin's hands were right against Dior's chest as he killed him, with the dagger buried to the hilt.

All this is more based on my knowledge of medieval battles and hand to hand combat. It gets messier the longer it goes on, and the more desperate people get, trying to be the one who survives.



I thought it was interesting the Light motif returns, which Curufin seems to pick out in the members of his family. He now focuses upon Dior, who was not and never has been in Valinor, who could not have the light of the Two Trees... and yet, Curufin still looks for light.
Dior does have the light of the Two Trees, though. It's in the Silmaril, which Dior was reported to be wearing, and this is what Curufin is looking for. He can't see any of that light around Dior, however. Which is why he wonders if the Silmaril is hidden on his person somewhere.



Ironically, it seems Curufin has come to terms with his inability to create lasting work in light of failing to complete the Oath. The strange sort of "comfort" in which it appears the last failure, greatest of them all, could not begin to matter with the line of his other "failures". Such implies he did not have the heart to actually complete any of these outward ambitions. It makes one wonder "if he had only tried", what would have been different? Had he not tried to create? Had he not tried to fulfill the Oath? But all along, he had not, so it appears. Perhaps it is freeing for him to not have to "try" any longer...
Oh, he certainly had tried to create things, and to fulfil the Oath.

Curufin's heart brings him a strange, paradoxical elation, as if to comfort him in his last moments, when in his whole life he has never cared enough to search his own heart at all, which is perhaps where he could have found the inspiration for truly great works, like those made by his father. If he had only tried.

It is his own heart which he never searched. Where he could have 'found his inspiration', as Fëanor calls it in the first chapter. His heart offers him comfort in the end, even though in his whole life he neglected it: never cared to search it, to listen to it, to understand it. To understand himself, his own passions and loves, even where they differ from those of his father.
If he had only tried to do so, maybe things would have been different. But he only realises this at the very end, when it is too late. And this is what breaks his heart, that final bitter realisation. It ends his life even before he fully succumbs to his wound.

But you are right. Though it is a bitter ending, it is a relief to no longer have to try. And a mercy. If Curufin had survived Doriath, he only would have gotten worse. He would have only been living for the Oath, and would stop at nothing. It is a mercy for his own soul, and for his surviving brothers, who would surely have been tormented by witnessing this ever-increasing distortion of the character of someone they love.



Curufin smiles twice in this chapter. I still recall the irony of him being known to smile in tense situations. But I find it contrasting on the occasions here in which he smiles. First, he smiles at the manner in which he strikes at Dior, and lastly, he smiles at his unachievements, finding it fitting in his life.
Imagine such is the expression on his face when his brothers reach his fallen side...
It is a rather strange reaction.
His smiling at Dior is a rather more vicious one, like a hunter with cornered prey. Closer to a typical cold 'villainous' smile, which you might see in many fictional antagonists. It's also somewhat derisive and mocking.

The smile on his face at the end is the one he gets in tense situations, as you say. When feeling helpless or deeply uncomfortable, he smiles. An automatic reaction, like a cornered and exhausted animal baring its teeth. This time, he is the prey. But he is not the sort of person to show it, or admit to feeling it, and he certainly does not want to further display his vulnerability. And so his reaction is to smile.



I found your depiction of Annatar to be quite unique amidst all the fan works I've encountered. My first impression was I did not recognize him until you stated his name. But I was pleased to find in Celebrimbor's eyes there would be nothing to show this visitor as the Deceiver. Something I think many authors and artists do not invite the impression of seeing.
I tried to follow Tolkien's description of Sauron being a tall, imposing and commanding presence. So Annatar is big and strong, and also very sure of himself.
But if he is pretending to be a newcomer from Valinor, he should have nothing obviously dark about him. He wears clothes similar to Aulë in the first chapter, with their simplicity and maroon colouring. The rest of him is light and shining, reminiscent of the sky and the air, of things untouched by Morgoth.

He is commanding, and it is hard to ignore him (Sauron). But he is very softly spoken, and not forceful, and thus only appears passionate and charismatic, someone who people want to listen to, feeling drawn/pulled and not compelled/pushed (Annatar).

When Annatar tells Celebrimbor of his desires, he does not tell a single lie. But he does not reveal the whole truth of who he is, or what those goals of his will end up looking like in reality.
The touch of his hand is warm, unusually warm. But it is not that burning deadly heat that Sauron can use to kill.

I made sure the 'Annatar veil' was as thin as possible. Sauron's characteristics are only slightly modified or reduced in intensity. Never completely erased, altered or hidden. Deception is always so much more effective when most of it is authenticity. For it is hard to make a sustained and convincing imitation of true passion. Therefore Sauron's passion is real. But his underlying motives and final ends are hidden.



I think that is something many authors especially do not show. In every fanfic with him included, it is so evident to us Annatar is Sauron by how he acts and looks, especially how he acts. Here, it is not so. He acts quite... normal. You have removed the bias of hindsight and knowledge. Annatar is not as obvious as we believe him to be. He's not the Deceiver in disguise for nothing. Here, Celebrimbor, even with the miniscule misgivings he brushes aside incognizantly, is reasonable. It's not so cut and dried an enemy we are looking in the face, and I believe you are the first to give us an unbiased perspective of the author's knowledge. There are things that are "odd" yes, but in Celebrimbor's eyes would not draw suspicion due to the way he interprets and idealizes. We do not see negatively-connotated emotions from Annatar. And such makes much more sense than the egotistical, manipulative Annatar most are writing. While Sauron is indeed deceiving Celebrimbor, it is Annatar he lets take center stage to bury the "obvious". It is intriguing you have chosen to have Annatar give Celebrimbor a ring initially. A dangerous move, cleverly hidden significance before the contemplating Celebrimbor. Annatar and Celebrimbor have the same ideas. Sauron and Celebrimbor do not.
❤️
It's something I see a lot in media in general, with their depictions of deceptive and manipulative characters. I'll use Shakespeare plays as an example. There are a few deceptive characters in there, which other people believe and are convinced by, to their detriment. But something I rarely see is an attempt to 'play it straight' by the actor portraying them. To act as if they are completely honest, genuine and soft-hearted when they say what they do, and then only switch to their sly, smirking villainous self when they're alone and monologuing. They just switch between 'less sly' and 'more sly'. It's entertaining, but I feel like it misses the mark.
I think it would make for a more powerful performance from actors if they truly showcase what the text implies about the character, that they are masters of dissembling, of pretending they are genuine when they are not.

I very much enjoyed writing 'Annatar', to see how 'realistic' and believable I could make this false friend, to see how I could hide his being Sauron in plain sight, without resorting to the easy way out of making him an outright liar.



Well, we have arrived at long last, the works of Curufinwë immortalized for all, to the end.

What can one say at the end of such a journey? It's quite clear you've lived the story and not just written it. You became the Curufinwë's and delivered. Strange how incomplete works can sometimes be more complete than those which are. I'm not sure if you intended it, but in a way, this work is left incomplete. The ending of the ending you chose not to include. I find such artful. But also, thank you for not ending with Tyelpë's death. 🥺
Sometimes, to be a work incomplete is more profound for all... 💍
It was a journey indeed!
It was a huge weight off my mind when I finally finished, due to all the various story threads and themes I had to keep in my mind while I was writing. I was aggressively playing minigames on my phone after finishing this chapter, since I wanted something active to keep me occupied and fill the void of its departure, and yet I had used up all my creative energy for the day, so I could not switch to another creative project immediately. 😂

Indeed, I did not feel the death of Celebrimbor was part of this story in particular.
And while The Works of Curufinwë is complete, and I feel nothing is missing from it, you are right that something still feels incomplete.

...And that is what I Will Hold Your Hand Again is for! The journey of father, mother and son, beyond the works of their hands alone.
 
Chapter 6

Curufin returns his arrow to the quiver. This, he is determined to find out. Aredhel should not have disappeared in his lands, under his watch, in the first place. He would not excuse himself by citing his absence at the time.
Aww, I love when the Fëanorians get all concerned for Aredhel! It's like she's got 7 extra over-protective brothers!

Curufin leads his black horse from the stables. There is a gleam in his eye. "Come along, Horse. Let us hunt for more strange tidings." Horse tosses its head.
Ah, Horse. A fine example of the creative naming abilities of the Noldor!

As the soldiers have him dismount, Curufin's gaze is drawn to his black armour. A dart of envy shoots through him, soon swallowed up by anger.
Oooh, a bit jealous of Eöl's smithery skills?

Questionable as some of his own family's deeds may be in the eyes of the Eldar, at least they each strive to put something good and powerful and beautiful into their own works, following the literally shining example of their father.
💯

Take that, Fëanorian haters!

Curufin's attention returns to the Dark Elf, the heady feeling of satisfied curiosity blending with the burn of his rising disgust and anger. He begins to chuckle quietly, and Eöl flinches. At this, Curufin's laughter morphs into a sound of genuine amusement. He shakes his head and smiles, matching Eöl's absurdly polite tone.
MWAHAHAHAAAAA. So much evil laughter going on here!

"You have my leave, but not my love. The sooner you depart from my land the better will it please me."
Mic. Drop!!!

This is one of my favorite scenes in the Silmarillion, and I really, really like how you expanded on it. I'm a sucker for any sort of political drama or two people of high rank pretending to be civil to each other while actually hurling well-articulated insults. It was very satisfying to read Curufin's disdain for Eöl.

This scene from The Silmarillion was one of the first things that clarified my understanding of Curufin's character. I was a little shocked yet also impressed by the cutting words he spoke to Eöl, and it gave me an impression of Curufin being highly intelligent, scheming, and a bit evil (even though Eöl is the real villain in this part of the story). It definitely influenced the way I wrote Curufin back in the Fëanoriel RP, before I got to know you and our beloved Soft Curvo.

If only this miserable excuse for an Elf were in the way of his Oath. He would not hesitate for a moment.
Maedhros and Celegorm share this sentiment. See TAtED.

He lets the veil over his own ire fall entirely, his voice cutting clear and whiplike through the air. "Do not flaunt the title of your wife before me. For those who steal the daughters of the Noldor and wed them without gift or leave do not gain kinship with their kin. I have given you leave to go. Take it, and be gone."
GET HIM!!!

Also, literally "cutting!"

Incomplete.
Curufin frowns slightly as he lays the gauntlets on his workbench. He runs a finger across the brightly polished segments.
The black gleam of another's armour swims into his mind's eye. And the metal under his hand looks frankly empty.
How could that Dark Elf have put so much strength of spirit into his work?
How could Curufin have been bested in such a manner, by such a person? How could he not match this, and surpass it, an Elf who has seen the Light, and the son of Fëanor who bears his father's name, no less?

INCOMPLETE.
Aww. I promise, Curvo, your work is still better!

Like I said, I really loved the drama in this chapter and the battle of wits between Eöl and Curufin. Too bad it won't end well for Aredhel...
 
Oooh, a bit jealous of Eöl's smithery skills?
Yes.. No. Maybe... 🙄


MWAHAHAHAAAAA. So much evil laughter going on here!
😂
The text: 'Then Curufin laughed at Eöl'
Me: ... :>


This is one of my favorite scenes in the Silmarillion, and I really, really like how you expanded on it. I'm a sucker for any sort of political drama or two people of high rank pretending to be civil to each other while actually hurling well-articulated insults. It was very satisfying to read Curufin's disdain for Eöl.
I'm glad. It was an interesting exercise to wonder about Curufin's train of thought while this exchange was happening.


This scene from The Silmarillion was one of the first things that clarified my understanding of Curufin's character. I was a little shocked yet also impressed by the cutting words he spoke to Eöl, and it gave me an impression of Curufin being highly intelligent, scheming, and a bit evil (even though Eöl is the real villain in this part of the story). It definitely influenced the way I wrote Curufin back in the Fëanoriel RP, before I got to know you and our beloved Soft Curvo.
This is quite funny, because I recall reading somewhere that Tolkien thought this scene was a good one to show Curufin in a better light, given how he's all too often the villain in the 'tale of Tinúviel'. His words might be harsh, but at least he's not unfairly cruel, even to someone he dislikes.

Roasting Moriquendi is a fun pastime, however. Curufin is well practiced at it, and this is why his cutting words are impressive. >_>
He also thanks you for your observation of his intelligence and natural aptitude for scheming. 😌
(and blushes faintly at the mention of his soft squishiness around his family)


GET HIM!!!
This made me wonder if Maedhros likes to sic his brothers on people he's been having trouble with, choosing a different one depending on which personality/skill set would best fit the situation. 😂

Also, literally "cutting!"
Hehe, his words are as sharp as his knife. 🔪 One way or another, Curvo will cut you.


Aww. I promise, Curvo, your work is still better!
🥺
Thanks bro. :<
 
A hint of a smile shows on Celebrimbor’s face. He gestures for the newcomer to follow him inside. From his curious introduction of himself and his purposes, it seems this Annatar and he will have much to talk about.
No, Tyelpe! You don't! Throw him out of your city.
having just bathed after a long day of working with his fellow smiths
My uncle Telko brain: Good job kiddo. Don't listen to your dad. Ash and soot is not good for your skin.
Long ago, I had thought to create some great work like my grandfather. I honed my skills and mastered every single thing I knew how to make. I looked for more knowledge wherever I thought I could find it. I mastered those new things. Many times, I simply experimented, to find out how things worked, to see what I could make with them.
And I have made many things in my life. Many good things. Yet none of them have I counted as my ‘great work’, for I have never yet determined what the nature and purpose of this great work will be.
I think Celebrimbor is what I consider a scholar and craftsman at its purest form. He learns for the sake of learning, he makes things to better the society he lives in without much expectation for praise and glory. Feanor made to prove to everyone he was the greatest, Curufin, among other things, mostly wanted the approval of his father. But Celebrimbor was the best of them all, though he was not spared the curse of his family. This thoughts written hear is perhaps the best representation of who Celebrimbor is as a character.
Rings which will not serve as adornment, sigil or emblem alone. Rings granting the wearer certain powers beyond their natural abilities, allowing them to exercise their will within the world in a manner rarely heard of among incarnate beings...
Celebrimbor has trouble believing such a thing could be possible. And yet, Annatar’s lore and knowledge has never failed them in their endeavours thus far.
Smarty pants Sauron. You bring this to any Noldo and they would dive headfirst into your trap, let alone a curious soul like Tyelpe. I think your words gave up the right vibe, if it makes sense.
Celebrimbor raises a doubtful eyebrow as Annatar joins him by the wall.
Annatar’s lips quirk up, a merry glint in his eye. “Ah, you know me too well. I meant: I shall not join them immediately.”
This was adorable. 🥺
I'm talking about Tyelpe, not you, Sauron!😑
Celebrimbor puts the ring on. At once, an unusual expanding sensation overtakes his mind’s eye, allowing him to perceive more and further than his ordinary senses are capable of. He is keenly aware of each living presence within and around the hall of the Jewel-smiths, and most especially those with strong wills of their own. Each one shines with its own unique light. At the same time, he has the impression that something heavy and purposeful has been dropped into the back of his mind, with the potential for great focus which cannot easily be gainsaid or overthrown.
...I see how this could be used. This kind of awareness could allow me to know all that happens in my land, all that grows and changes, lives and dies within it. And if I trained my mind to focus this weighty power, I could affect these changes to suit my own purpose. Perhaps even slow or halt them entirely.
I'm not sure if this was intentional, but this effect of the ring reminded me of how Melkor kinda controlled Beleriand after giving so much of himself to the land.
...Yes. I could inspire others to do great things of their own. Even plant courage and inspiration in their hearts when they have none left.
How innocent you are, Tyelpe. Seeing so much goodness in this world to not even spare a thought to what others would do with such power.🥺
His father should have made so much more than this small thing. But somehow, for some reason, the chance was stolen from him, and he never made anything in the way Fëanor did.
It always saddened me to think about all the potential Curufin had to become the best version of himself, but all of it was robbed from him because of his father's foolishness.
With or without a farewell, they all vanished from my life. And never did I lay any of them to rest, nor did I see the cairns or memorial stones set up for them. If indeed they did not lie in unmarked graves.
Poor Tyelpe. 🥺
He was always so alone. Elrond and Ereinion had each other. In the canon version, at least, he was all but alone and far away from family when he perishes. It could have made anyone bitter and cold, but the fire of his heart never diminished and he remained the sweet little thing he had always been despite the sorrow in his heart.
They are between him and those he has lost.
This made me really emotional.
But the rings shall not be a memorial for the past alone. They will have the power to heal and preserve things to a far greater extent than any of the other rings heretofore created, for this will be their primary purpose.
I think, beside the rings, this also describes Celebrimbor himself very well. He doesn't look into the past and despair like his father and grandfather.
The fates of the Three Rings, Narya, Nenya and Vilya, are now unbound from him.
Another point of difference we see between him and his grandfather, though perhaps the different scenarios are playing a part in here. I wonder what Celebrimbor would have done if Sauron had taken hold of the rings instead of him.




I think this was a perfect conclusion to this whole story. I love how you painted the difference between him and his father and grandfather repeatedly through the text. It was an amazing build up to the ending we knew was coming. No matter how good, this kid didn't have a chance from the beginning, but despite everything, he tried his best to be the pure and good person he was inside.
Also, sorry for this very late comment, though I got to enjoy reading this once again so not so sorry I guess...?
 
I think Celebrimbor is what I consider a scholar and craftsman at its purest form. He learns for the sake of learning, he makes things to better the society he lives in without much expectation for praise and glory. Feanor made to prove to everyone he was the greatest, Curufin, among other things, mostly wanted the approval of his father. But Celebrimbor was the best of them all, though he was not spared the curse of his family. This thoughts written hear is perhaps the best representation of who Celebrimbor is as a character.
I re-read this chapter myself today. And I really think I captured Celebrimbor's 'voice' well with these thoughts of his! (It's easier to see now that it's been a while since I wrote it)


This was adorable. 🥺
I'm talking about Tyelpe, not you, Sauron!😑
😂 💯
Yeah, even his 'nice' Annatar persona doesn't strike me as particularly endearing.


I'm not sure if this was intentional, but this effect of the ring reminded me of how Melkor kinda controlled Beleriand after giving so much of himself to the land.
Well, I did base the effects of this minor Ring of Power on what Sauron's One Ring is supposed to be capable of (since it obviously has the most description in Tolkien's writings).
And Tolkien himself described the world as 'Morgoth's Ring', given how much of his power went into trying to make it all 'his' (which resulted in evil and corruption remaining in the world even after Morgoth was thrown out).

So while it's not something I was thinking about myself as I wrote this, it's something Tolkien intended, which came out in my writing. And I count it as a success that this was something you noticed, since I was trying to stick to canon as much as possible. 😁


It always saddened me to think about all the potential Curufin had to become the best version of himself, but all of it was robbed from him because of his father's foolishness.
This was the case for all Fëanor's sons, really. 🙁
But Curufin really had the cards stacked against him to a greater degree, thanks to his similarity to Fëanor (which both his parents remarked upon), and his desire to show his great love for his father and to follow in his footsteps.


Poor Tyelpe. 🥺
He was always so alone. Elrond and Ereinion had each other. In the canon version, at least, he was all but alone and far away from family when he perishes. It could have made anyone bitter and cold, but the fire of his heart never diminished and he remained the sweet little thing he had always been despite the sorrow in his heart.
Yeah. 🥺
While I do think Celebrimbor became more stern and closed-off, he never lost his desire to do good in the world and to look after those he cared about (which would be his people at this point in time).
And I think he got along well with his closest living relatives, such as Gil-galad and Galadriel. But even though there was love between them, there was a lack of deeper understanding, due to their different personalities.

Honestly, poor Tyelpë was in just the right position to fall for the kind of false promises and companionship Sauron could give.


Another point of difference we see between him and his grandfather, though perhaps the different scenarios are playing a part in here. I wonder what Celebrimbor would have done if Sauron had taken hold of the rings instead of him.
Indeed. This is why we should not be too quick to judge. We can never know how we will react to any given scenario until we are placed in it ourselves. ...I am definitely glad that Celebrimbor did not have to suffer having the same choice put before him, of what to do after the theft of his greatest creations.

I do think that he would be more level-headed than Fëanor, and he would work together with others to fight against Sauron (and wouldn't insist on doing everything his way). But I think his grief and pain would be far greater, as it's a final terrible blow at the end of a long list of grievous things that he has endured.
 
Chapter 7, Part 1

First of all, I was excited to see that this is in Tyelpë's POV!

Celebrimbor finds himself carrying the conversation. Finrod's usual flood of words is dammed, with only a trickle passing through now and then, where before one tale would naturally flow into the next.
Oof, I understand this feeling. Definitely awkward and uncomfortable to feel like the main person carrying the conversation!

Celebrimbor glances to the side. But then again... he supposes Finrod appears more troubled than sad.
Subtle difference! I'm not sure I would have picked up on the difference between someone being troubled and sad myself.

Never his own desires, nor anything that touched him near. Perhaps he still spoke of these things while alone with Celegorm, but Celebrimbor had never known him so distant. Not even after Fëanor's death. Curufin had not spoken much then, but the embrace of his arms had been warm. Now, however, Celebrimbor could almost believe he would not bleed if cut, so cold was he to the touch.
Aww! 🥺 *offers pats to both Tyelpë and Curvo*

Celebrimbor feels shaken, though he does not know why.

But for the pounding of his heart, all is now silent.
Definitely a relatable mood to me. I've been feeling like this in general over the past week. 🫠

The might of the seven sons of Fëanor at their strongest and surest had been pitted against the might of Morgoth, and caught unawares, they had been found lacking.
This hurts. 🥺 It's just making me think of what lies ahead in the Nirnaeth, and how hopeless the cause is.

Maedhros still stood in the north as a single high rock amidst the sea, unmoved by the vain fury of the waves.
Eyyy! 😎 Also, I find it hilarious how we were just talking about how trying to fight Maedhros is like trying to fight a rock! Even though there was quite the time difference between you writing this and that conversation, it worked out to align in our timeline eventually! Servo and Maitimelia's Synced-Up Brains Strike Again!!!

He had not imagined what he saw in his father's face, after all. He knows that despair, for it is what now rises from his heart and chokes his mind like smoke.
Tyelpë seems pretty good at identifying the emotions of others. Again, I'm not sure I would have picked up on something so subtle myself.

Upon entering his chambers, he finds Celegorm sitting there on a couch, legs crossed and propped up on a low table, absently chewing on the end of the cord fastening the collar of his outer garment.
His elder brother glances up at him and spits out the cord.
Let me tell you I laughed out loud at this mental picture!! My ADHD bro is stimming!! 🤣 So unexpected amidst the tense and gloomy mood of the chapter leading up to this!

"Shall I kiss it better, brother mine?" Celegorm smiles more genuinely this time, holding his arms wide as though beckoning him forward for an embrace.
Aww, that's our Tyelko alright!

There is silence for a moment. Seeing his brother's downcast demeanour, a faint disquiet rises in Curufin's mind, stemming from a tightness in his chest. He had intended to ensure Celegorm would be as watchful as he, so they would be of a same mind, ready for any approaching trouble. He had not meant to afflict him with his own terrible mood. Had he? Curufin bites the inside of his lip, grounding himself with the sudden pain.
Aww, I can relate to this myself. Sometimes I need to vent to somebody, and I just need to get it out of my system, but I feel bad when my negativity brings the other person's mood down. I realize this isn't exactly the same thing, but still, I get you, bro!

He pulls the unresisting Curufin closer, hugging him to his chest.
I'm reminded of that meme of the raccoon hugging the unamused black cat!

INCOMPLETE.
Seems like this is a recurring thought Curufin has.

Another has taken the battle to Morgoth's doorstep and has done more to avenge Finwë and Fëanor than any of the sons of Fëanor ever have.
Ouch, that definitely stings.

We need strength.
I need to regain what was destroyed, before another disaster happens.
But how?
Who will help us? There are none willing. Not for this.


Curufin sinks to his knees. His eyes are shut, and his senses can barely tell whether stone or carpet lies beneath him.

...Nargothrond will not help us here. No matter how great our remaining influence, we cannot constrain them.

The dark weight in his mind is nigh overwhelming, and he does not move for a long time.
I think this works to kind of summarize the whole Part 1 of Chapter 7. I can definitely feel the hopelessness throughout the whole thing. And the downcast mood seems to start with Finrod and Curufin, and it gets passed along to everyone else. It's like everyone is aware that this is the beginning of the end. And knowing how the Silmarillion goes, it's painful as a reader to know things won't get any better from here, and in fact they'll only continue to get worse. 🥺
 
Subtle difference! I'm not sure I would have picked up on the difference between someone being troubled and sad myself.
I would say a troubled expression has a slight frown to it, and the gaze of their eyes is more fixed and focused. And their voice might sound more tense, rather than tearful or depressed. There's an alertness to it, as though they're thinking hard about something, rather than just dwelling on grief.

With Curufin and Tancaquárë as his parents, I'm sure Celebrimbor would be quite good at spotting such small differences. Both because of inheriting his parents' analytical perceptiveness, and because he's used to recognising their moods from their very subtle expressions.


Aww! 🥺 *offers pats to both Tyelpë and Curvo*
We're in Nargothrond, they'll need them. 🫡


Definitely a relatable mood to me. I've been feeling like this in general over the past week. 🫠
'Fearful Hearts' is certainly the most apt name for this chapter.
Everyone's stress and anxiety: 📈


Eyyy! 😎 Also, I find it hilarious how we were just talking about how trying to fight Maedhros is like trying to fight a rock! Even though there was quite the time difference between you writing this and that conversation, it worked out to align in our timeline eventually! Servo and Maitimelia's Synced-Up Brains Strike Again!!!
😂 👌


Tyelpë seems pretty good at identifying the emotions of others. Again, I'm not sure I would have picked up on something so subtle myself.
This is Curufin remembering Fëanor's death, and now he understands why Fëanor had that strange look of despair as he told his sons to hold to their oath.

Full quote:
The image of a cold, steely, hopeless gaze cuts suddenly into his thought. Followed not long after by the silent flames of an unearthly fire. Curufin's own gaze darkens. The hand upon the forgotten metal trembles. Another spark flies from the mundane red-glowing coals.

He had not imagined what he saw in his father's face, after all. He knows that despair, for it is what now rises from his heart and chokes his mind like smoke. How could they ever wage war against Morgoth? Almost unconsciously, he clenches his teeth. But he cannot afford to despair like this. The Oath will not allow it. Even if all hope is gone, he must find a way. Some way. Any way.

I mark switches between Curufin's and Celebrimbor's POVs with ***
Celebrimbor feels shaken, though he does not know why.
But for the pounding of his heart, all is now silent.
***

Curufin is staring into the cooling coals of the forge furnace. He has been standing there since the fire was blazing white with heat. The unshaped metal under his hand lies forgotten.
So we have changed scene from Celebrimbor and his unusual conversation with Finrod: Now it's Curufin by himself in the forge, dwelling on the grief and pain of losing their fortresses, and being tormented by the thought of the unfulfilled Oath.

I do understand how it can be easy to miss: I switch quite abruptly between scenes, due to only writing what I think is necessary for the story.


Let me tell you I laughed out loud at this mental picture!! My ADHD bro is stimming!! 🤣 So unexpected amidst the tense and gloomy mood of the chapter leading up to this!
Lol! My version of Celegorm is a bit more conscious of social norms (he gives off arrogant medieval prince vibes), so he doesn't bite people. But he gnaws on his own belongings a little when he's bored or stressed. :>

It's just normal 'casual Tyelko at rest' body language. 😂


Aww, I can relate to this myself. Sometimes I need to vent to somebody, and I just need to get it out of my system, but I feel bad when my negativity brings the other person's mood down. I realize this isn't exactly the same thing, but still, I get you, bro!
I've had this thought of Curufin's a few times myself. I do not think my primary intent is to bring others down with what I'm saying, but sometimes I wonder if that is a part of it? Some of my feelings might be saying: 'I feel bad about this and therefore they should too.' Misery wants company, or something.
It is often hard to truthfully pinpoint my emotional motivation for something, because so many small and nebulous 'moving parts' come into it.

Curvo appreciates the understanding. 🥺


Seems like this is a recurring thought Curufin has.
Mhm. He has trouble completing his works of craft... and the Oath is unfulfilled...
The recurring thought 'Incomplete' is how the pull of the Oath shows up in Curufin's mind. It doesn't care about anything else going on in his mind, it's just 'INCOMPLETE', severe and unyielding, and it won't let him easily stop thinking about it.


I think this works to kind of summarize the whole Part 1 of Chapter 7. I can definitely feel the hopelessness throughout the whole thing. And the downcast mood seems to start with Finrod and Curufin, and it gets passed along to everyone else.
Very true. 👀
...and it won't stop there...!

It's like everyone is aware that this is the beginning of the end. And knowing how the Silmarillion goes, it's painful as a reader to know things won't get any better from here, and in fact they'll only continue to get worse. 🥺
💯🥺
I think Elven foresight comes into it. Even though Curufin, Celegorm and Celebrimbor don't have the same foresight abilities as Finrod, they can still have an uneasy feeling that significant doom is approaching (as would be the case for any ordinary Elf, I think).

Yeah, you've just stepped foot into the beginning of Chapter 7, and boy you are in for a ride. 🫠🙃😬
This is Nargothrond, after all, and Curufin is about to find out how many flavours of bad he can possibly be, and how far he will go to pursue his objectives, while feeling under pressure from all sides.

I will say that Chapter 8 is a relatively peaceful break: Curufin needs it, and the reader needs it, after all that.
 
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(Reading on the plane, woohoo! One of the only places where I can focus easily on reading.)

Chapter 7, Part 2

Be he friend or foe, whether demon of Morgoth, or Elf, or child of Men, or any other living thing in Arda, neither law, nor love, nor league of hell, nor might of the Valar, nor any power of wizardry, shall defend him from the pursuing hate of Fëanor's sons, if he take or find a Silmaril and keep it. For the Silmarils we alone claim, until the world ends.
This is a slightly different version of the Oath of Fëanor than I remember it. Where did you get it from?

Why should we follow?

Is he not our king? We are honour-bound to aid him.
Is Curufin disagreeing with Celegorm here, or just debating it in his mind?

Curufin stares blankly up at his cousin. Perhaps there is a way to regain our strength. But it must be done—it must be done now. I must tip the scales in our favour. We need this kingdom, and these people, and turning them against their king is the only way to do so. When will there be another opportune time? I cannot wait for a future period of war or instability. If Morgoth continues his assaults upon our lands, the people may be too diminished by then to be much use to us. My brother and I may well be slain before then. And Felagund could easily outlast us, for his people will do their utmost to protect their beloved king. Has that not already happened? And those Men were not even under his direct command.
🎵Sneaky Scheming Curufin!🎵 I do genuinely love when we get to see his ruthless, scheming political side. Obviously I love our Soft Curvo and his depth of feeling, but at the end of the day he is Curufin the Crafty, and I just really enjoy when he's plotting some morally questionable political scheme! Plotting to get your cousin's people to turn against him is pretty dark!

But then also, him contemplating his and Celegorm's death as though he knows it's inevitable hit me right in the heart. 🥺

Celegorm turns to Felagund once more. “A people will risk their lives to defend their kingdom, but do not think we will risk our lives to see this kingdom destroyed! For what else could come of this quest? We have all seen the ruin of the north. We have all heard how the High King was slain. It is folly to think you could face the same foe and come away the victor.”
Celegorm sheathes his sword, then bows his head briefly before stepping back, his eyes still ablaze with impassioned fury.
Yeah, Tyelko's making some solid points.

He is not as a Vala to command us.

We will not go.

There is no reason to follow!

It is madness.

The anger and agreement now drown out the uncertainty. The sound of rebellion rises behind Curufin almost as the roar of the tide.

Rebellion. ...Treason. A seed of doubt is planted in his heart. As he looks towards Finrod and sees his stricken face, it starts to grow. He is our kin. Should we repay him thus?

Then all of a sudden, it is choked out, strangled by the bitter weight rising in his breast. Long buried, but never quite dead, like a dormant mountain waiting to spew forth flame and ash once more.
Is there not a treason more ancient? He is, as Celegorm said, the son of Finarfin. He may be a king, but he is of a younger and lesser house. By right, the high kingship over all the Noldor belongs to the house of Fëanor. These people and their realm were ours already. We are reclaiming our own.
And Curufin crushes the last of his own resistance, with only a little more trouble.
Ah, so that answers my earlier question.

Really interesting to see Curufin's internal struggle over this. And it's understandable; it doesn't seem like there really is a right answer to this dilemma. Betray your cousin, or go with him on a suicide mission? Especially with the complications of the Fëanorians' Oath.

Moral of the story: Don't. Swear. Oaths!!

Finrod takes the silver crown from his head and throws it to the ground. Though his eyes shine with unshed tears as he addresses the people, his voice is hard and unwavering. “Your oaths of faith to me you may break, but I must hold my bond. Yet if there be any on whom the shadow of our curse has not yet fallen, I should find at least a few to follow me, and should not go hence as a beggar that is thrust from the gates.”
I do feel bad for him here, though. 🥺 He doesn't have much of a choice, just as the Fëanorians don't, and now he's essentially alone in this doomed quest.

Not quite. Curufin smiles at him. Then turns away with a nod to Celegorm, who gives his cousin a friendly grin before following Curufin out of the hall.
Not quite what? Also, I was amused to see Celegorm's sudden mood change!

Is this the infamous moment where they smiled and backed out of the halls, or am I thinking of something else?
Trap Door World GIF



Overall, this chapter presents so many things to think about. Reading your writing tends to require a bit of extra processing effort from my brain, but it's always worth it. There's so many different types of pressure that Curufin is facing, as you said before, and I think as an INFJ I enjoy contemplating these impossible moral dilemmas!
 

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