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Disney Princess Galadriel, by Vivianelefay
Is this truly a Disney princes Galadriel?
Have they already horned in on Tolkien to leverage him for their (dare I say gluttonous) profit making?
Am I just 'behind the times' here, and should know Disney already has their hooks into the works?
 
lol Goodness no. Disney isn't all-powerful yet. This was simply Galadriel in a stereotypical "Disney Princess" art-style.
 
lol Goodness no.
Oh good. Thank you. Don't want to derail the thread here... but well... i had to be sure. I do hope I pass on before they manage to get their clutches into his work.
 
The Pauline Baynes map is very interesting, since Tolkien had commented on it (or a copy of his own map) before publication with suggestions for improvement. But whether he had seen these illustrations beforehand is unclear to me. Would be interesting to know...

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He did. It's discussed in NoME. He goes into detail about each of the characters and the images of locations. He was bewildered by the Ringwraiths having hats.
 
Apparently Gandalf is short.
Yes, at least his feet are in the same position as the guy to his left, whoever that may be. That's why he seems to be too small.
He didn't like Gollum or Shelob either.
Gollum looks like a mummy. 😄

Shelob I personally still find quite okay: Looks poisonous and disgusting. What did Tolkien not like about it?

Barad-dûr was accurate, I guess.
Yes, definitely fits the description. Although I like John Howe's version better. (The original version without the eye from the PJ movies).

What I don't like that much either:
- Argonath - they look like toys
- Minas Tirith - there is no town in the lower levels

Everything else is more or less ok.
 
Aragorn is about 6'6", Boromir 6'4". Eldar women are rarely shorter than 6', the men no shorter than 6'6".
Gollum is pale, yes, but he is clothed and has a pocket that he kept the Ring in. His clothes were ragged and black.
Shelob has horns (he brings this up both in LotR and in his reply here). She's black with a luminous (from corruption) underbelly

Yes, at least his feet are in the same position as the guy to his left, whoever that may be. That's why he seems to be too small.
Well, Tolkien does say he's short and bent with age and care but no LESS than 5'6".
Gollum looks like a mummy. 😄
He looks like some kind of fish creature. I can't get a good look as it's too small.
Shelob I personally still find quite okay: Looks poisonous and disgusting. What did Tolkien not like about it?
He found her too spindly and was confounded as to why her legs seemed to be coming out of her head.
Yes, definitely fits the description. Although I like John Howe's version better. (The original version without the eye from the PJ movies).
Same, though I believe LotR describes the top of the tower having a room with a window that Sam and Frodo saw briefly. Though the text also describes the top of the tower as being enswathed with clouds/smoke.
What I don't like that much either:
- Argonath - they look like toys
- Minas Tirith - there is no town in the lower levels

Everything else is more or less ok.
I agree. The Argonath look AWFUL to me. Also they're on pedestals in the middle of the river instead of in the cliffs. Tolkien also didn't like Minas Tirith.
 

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Thanks for those photos, that's very enlightening.

Funny that he thought the Argonath were good. 😄
Probably lacked the comparison to better interpretations at the time. I'm quite sure he would have preferred more modern interpretations.

As for Barad-dur, while I think the skyscraper-like, slim and tall illustraions are cooler, here's what I came up with as a counter-argument:
The pyramid-shaped, wider form is probably more earthquake-resistant, and there were probably relatively many of those in this volcanic area...
 
Counter-counter argument: Sauron made it with his Ring and the foundations couldn't even be destroyed until it was.

I think Tolkien was thinking of a more "realitistic" historical architecture rather than skyscrapers (let alone modern-day Burj Khalifa)

Keep in mind that he built Barad-dur "with the power of the Ring". Whatever that means.
Apparently it means it's held together by his will? So I guess that would have meant it would have collapsed if someone else seized the Ring as well.
 
Keep in mind that he built Barad-dur "with the power of the Ring". Whatever that means.

Yes, Tolkien also writes that the base of the tower could not be destroyed, which suggests that the foundation may have provided enough earthquake resistance.

What puzzles me, however, is this drawing of Tolkien himself:



This gives the impression that Barad-dur is quite a big castle, but not somehow outstandingly large...
His descriptions in The Lord of the Rings are much more imposing. We know that Tolkien also often revised his drawings...
Are there any other drawings of the Dark Tower?
 
This shows only a corner of the base. We don't know what percentage of the whole it represents.
Apparently it means it's held together by his will? So I guess that would have meant it would have collapsed if someone else seized the Ring as well.
I assume you mean a non-hobbit -- otherwise, it would be gone. 😄

But of course the first to seize the Ring was Isildur, and it didn't collapse then. A great part of Sauron's will lay bound in the Ring, so as long as it existed, so would the foundations of Barad-dur.
 
Not by him, to my knowledge. His drawings are sometimes...not size accurate (in regards to large things, see his sketches of the world). Still, this drawing makes the base of the tower look quite large. I count roughly 21 floors just in the shot and it's clearly not the whole thing either high or wide.

Allow me to rephrase. Seize OWNERSHIP of the Ring from Sauron. Like, take total control of it, not just take it physically.
 
This shows only a corner of the base. We don't know what percentage of the whole it represents.
That's true, but if you assume that the gate in the center right is the main entrance, then the tower would be comparatively small. Of course, it could also be a side entrance, but if you look at the picture on its own, this would be unlikely. However, looking at the textual descriptions, it can actually only be a side entrance. From this point of view, I think that this picture rather shows an early and too small version of Barad-dur.
 
Based on various indications in the story, I don't think even someone such as Aragorn or Gandalf taking control of the power of the Ring would cause the tower to collapse. It's an interesting subject for speculation, though-- perhaps on a dedicated thread.
 
From this point of view, I think that this picture rather shows an early and too small version of Barad-dur.
Is it known which year this picture is from?
According to Hammond & Scull, the drawing was made at least years before the LotR was published. And Tolkien probably did not want these sketches to be published because he found them insufficient.

Alternatively, one could imagine that the Dark Tower was not square and rather elongated, which of course would also have provided the basis for a very tall (but not as stylish) tower.

---Fellowship of the Ring, p. 527

—Vision of Samwise Gamgee from the downfall of Barad-Dûr
 
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