Was Círdan among the first born?!

[Arvedui]

Well, it is clearly stated that the 144 original elves awoke in 72 couples of 'husband and wife' (so to speak). Why do you find that hard to accept?

Because I had allowed myself to forget about that, OK...

 

[Ingwë]

Ithy's thread Círdan is very interesting
It is said that Cirdan is related to Thingol, as he mentioned. So he has relatives. He wouldn't have if he awoke at the Lake. Probably he was born near the lake

 

[Ithrynluin]

It is said that Cirdan is related to Thingol, as he mentioned. So he has relatives. He wouldn't have if he awoke at the Lake. Probably he was born near the lake

But why not? Like I said earlier:

About Thingol and Cirdan being related, Cirdan and his (unnamed) wife could have had a child who came to be Thingol's (grand)mother/(grand)father.

Another possibility I've thought about: Even though the 144 elves awoke 'just like that' (i.e. without being conceived apparently), why couldn't some of them have been related to one another, either actually (elflad #1 being a brother to elflass #2; they both have their spouses, so their offspring are related) or symbolically (certain elves being brothers and sisters in the mind of Iluvatar, much like some of the Ainur, e.g. Manwe and Melko were brothers thus). So Cirdan could be one of the 144 'original' elves that awoke by Cuivienen, his brother or sister being Thingol's forefather/mother.

 

[Ingwë]

Interesting...
But don't you think that Tolkien would say that Thingol is a descendant of Cirdan if he was? But if it is not said we cannot guess