That one I have seen (I have it on DVD I think), and as far as I can remember it was very good. I was a little Curvo at the time though, so I can't remember many specifics of the movie. :3Amazing Grace (2006)
Ah yes, here we are:(I have it on DVD I think)
Yes! I love what you said. And you got me thinking more. I think this is how what you said is connected:
(For the sake of clarity, I will refer to the ‘character type we need more of’ I was discussing as the ‘role model’ character type.)
The failed hero you mentioned is actually the role model character; in other words, he/she is actually just a shade of the role model’s character. Though failed, you instinctively indicated he is still a hero. He may ‘fail’ or ‘win’ but in the broader scope is still a hero because success or failure does not make him a hero. Moral grounding, an eternal perspective, makes him the hero he is. Ambiguous worldly success or failure is only a result, part of the journey, a reflection of the role model’s inner state. It does not define a hero.
Now in the real world, morals come from the God of the Bible so a morally grounded character is a Godly character. We resonate with the role model because we crave God’s morals (being made in His image).
In fantasy, and storytelling in general as Tolkien put it we are subcreators. When we create a ‘role model’ character that character gains his/her heroism with moral soundness, and we can admire the character. But in applying the character role model to real life we must transition from the subcreated to the created. For our application to be effective, we must recognize the morals have a Source.
What do you think @Idril Celebrindal? I love this - so much to discuss!
Thanks for the recommendation! I'll try and check it out.Just watched Young Washington in the theatre today. So good!!!! No qualms here. Please treat yourself to this film. Absolutely 10 of 10. Also, @Idril Celebrindal, this film was so relevant to the failed heroes/morally (really Christ-grounded.morals are simply the fruit. Washington is a grand example) grounded heroes conversation; Beautiful! You should watch it.
I went to see Young Washington yesterday! Absolutely a strong film with the virtues held and demonstrated as we watch young George grow into the man and leader he would one day become through triumph and devastating failure. To have courage in the face of hardships, to exercise civility at all times (especially when others look down on you), to see failure as a teacher and choose to learn from it and keep going, and more.Just watched Young Washington in the theatre today. So good!!!! No qualms here. Please treat yourself to this film. Absolutely 10 of 10.
I have now re-watched Amazing Grace and can definitely recommend it. I found it impactful. ❤️ It's a solemn type of film (being a dramatised retelling of someone's life), though it has its moments of light-heartedness. Sometimes well-known figures of the past feel like just that: figures. But I think this film does quite well in portraying them as real people.Ah yes, here we are:
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(the back of the DVD box)
I will probably re-watch it when I have the opportunity, to refresh my memory.
I heard that EPIC is going to be made into a movie soon, which should be good. I’ll definitely be watching it if so.Epic the Musical deviates from the original story, but it still feels like the Odyssey because the core is the same
Oh yes, I'm very excited for that!I heard that EPIC is going to be made into a movie soon, which should be good. I’ll definitely be watching it if so.
I'm very much in two minds about this one - will it be just special effects and music with mediocre acting? At least PJ assembled some fine actors for LOTR and I prefer the Tolkien story to Homer. I assume they omitted the bit about slaughtering the maidservants who had consorted with the suitors in Ithaca.I watched The Odyssey movie a few days ago. I thought it was ok. Not a masterpiece, but not rubbish either.
I didn't really like any of the characters. Odysseus was portrayed as very weak, Penelope was whiny, Athena was essentially Odysseus' imaginary therapist, Circe and Calypso were too old for people who are supposed to be immortal. The only characters I thought were portrayed well were Telemachus, Eumaeus and Antinous.
The Cyclops scene was really well done, although I'm sad they left out the "Nobody" part. Battle scenes were shot well but were unrealistic and underwhelming. The dialogue was quite bad in my opinion, there were a lot of scenes where characters were saying stuff that was supposed to be important or moving but just didn't sound right because of the script. Music was very good, and really seemed like a part of the story, it sort of echoed whatever was happening in the movie. For example, Odysseus twangs his bow whenever he goes hunting to warn his prey, and it makes this deep reverberating sound (like a sort of harp), which is then echoed by the music, and it sounds really cool (especially in Imax).
In general the movie just didn't feel very historical. A lot of the armor looked unrealistic, the buildings also didn't look quite right, and characters used modern words like "mom" or "daddy", or modern expletives, that just felt very out of place and were really distracting. Also everyone has an American accent. Nothing against Americans, but people in historical movies should have BRITISH accents, that is non-negotiable.
Overall I enjoyed watching the movie, it was a lot of fun because I was with a good friend, but I probably won't watch it again. I'd give it a 6/10. It's an ok movie, but in essence it's not really The Odyssey any more, too many things were changed, and they were not changed in the spirit of the original story. Just as an example, Epic the Musical deviates from the original story, but it still feels like the Odyssey because the core is the same. In the movie, it's not.
I'd recommend watching it if you just want to see a cool movie in the cinema, and you don't really care if it's going to be particularly good or not. I wouldn't recommend watching it if you want to watch a really good historical movie. In that case I'd suggest watching Troy or Gladiator or something like that instead. But of course, these are just my thoughts.
Yes, the part about the maidservants was entirely omitted. Odysseus was also far more lenient on the suitors, he spared about 15 of them who surrendered. Far less ruthless than in the book.I'm very much in two minds about this one - will it be just special effects and music with mediocre acting? At least PJ assembled some fine actors for LOTR and I prefer the Tolkien story to Homer. I assume they omitted the bit about slaughtering the maidservants who had consorted with the suitors in Ithaca.
You could watch the original The Incredible Journey from 1963 and then decide.Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey.
I wonder how better the movie would be if they didnt dub the animals (Inner monologues)
Shadow is kind of like Gandalf of this story
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