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Just wrote a poem that's part of a song for volume 1. Just in draft version, I need to season it a bit. Always wanted to do this particular part of the story this way but there were several major obstacles.

1) I have no musical talent AT ALL.
I have found that I can occasionally write a poem that has the correct number of beats for a given tune and scanned well for it. Ok, well, I managed it once before.

My newest attempt doesn't quite match the sample tune, it's a beat off on each line. One option is to convince a musician friend to modify the tune for me and record it, the other is to adjust the wording to match the tune. I'll post it when it's fully ready.

2) I can't hear the "metre" of a poem unless you exaggerate it by two orders of magnitude.
I'll just blame it on the difficulties inherent in translating poems from a different language. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

3) Apparently, I often can't correctly count the number of syllables in a given word, either.
For problem #3, the number of syllables, I just found this website: https://www.syllablecount.com/syllables/.


Here's the song/tune I managed to do some years back. I used the words from the group Steeleye Span's version of The Lowlands of Holland, then adjusted them to match the story I wanted the song to tell and to match the beat and tempo of the music. It turned out pretty well. (Or at least, I think so.) The Steeleye Span song is a great one, and it is very catchy, by the way. Here's their version of this old folk song:


My words to the above tune are an angry protest song from the maiden to the king who won't let her marry as she wishes. My words are as follows:

The Love that I have chosen
and therewith be content,
and the salt sea shall be frozen
before that I repent.

Repent it shall I never
until the day I die;
but through the fears of princes
my Love can’t marry me.


My Love wars in the shadows
while I sit with the Sidhe,
tis enough to break a young thing’s heart
wha’ was to be a bride.

Wha’ was to be a bonny bride
with pleasure in her een;
but through the fears of princes
my Love can’t marry me.


My Love, he built a bower fine,
all for our wedding night,
and though I’ve never seen it, yet;
Oh, how can that be right?

Lo, a thousand years are wasted
and more to come I fear;
and through the fears of princes
my Love can’t marry me.


My Love has built another life
of lonely warring strife
and braved uncounted dangers there
all for to make me wife.
But I fear that only mortal wounds
will satisfy their fears.
Oh Varda! Can’t they understand
my heart’s blood flows in tears?

And shall neither smile come on my face
nor comb come in my hair,
then shall neither star nor candlelight
shine in my bower there
And neither will I marry
until the day I’m free,
for I’ve never had a love but one,
and he can’t marry me.

Oh, hold your tongue, o maiden dear,
be still and be content.
There’s men enough in elf-land fair,
ye need not sore lament.
Oh, there’s men enough in elf-land fair,
alas, there’s none for me!
For I never had a Love but one,
and he can’t marry me.​

FYI, I'm not sure about the copyright of the original song's words. I'm trying to track down whether they were part of a traditional song out of copyright or Steeleye Span's modern (and thus) copyrighted version. I'll need to do that and take the appropriate actions to be able to publish it for profit.
 
BMG Rights Management released Steeleye span to YouTube in 2021, which would be the 51st year.
You're checking with them, I presumen.
You're right, you definitely don't want to wade into copyright, or even plagiarism, issues.
Plagiarism could probably be avoided by a simple footnote, crediting the work and noting it's intentionally altered to fit the circumstances of the present text.

It's certainly nice..!
 
One and all, write what you want to write. Someone will ALWAYS dislike it or disagree with it. Doesn't matter. Write your truth.
Thank you David.
To be clear, for me this part isn't an issue. They must be written. It's the whole issue of posting any parts of it in andvance, and causing disruption for others, I consider.

Life is discordant enough for people, without intentionally adding to it.
Possibly best to just spare folks the "traumas of the troubled," and withhold any posting in a public forum.

The sad part is, as usual, the enjoyment of things by some is curtailed by what I sometimes call the "negative enjoyment" of them by others.
But no one ever said life was fair - and I have never heard a more appropopriate statement..!

(There's a reason the title is Mankind, Life, and the Religion of Opinion)
 
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@Ent, Pick a thread, make the intro to the thread clear so people know what to expect, and post away. Ignore those who complain, you told them what to expect and they voluntarily chose to proceed. Even better, if it's your blog or you have admin rights here, delete the comments from the yahoos. :)

Every once in awhile, I'm a jerk because I don't think through how others might take my meaning. I don't mean to be, and I try really hard, but sometimes I miss the mark. Only thing I can go is apologise, make amends where appropriate, and try to learn from it.

In your case, as long as people know what to expect in your thread, none of that applies to you. My favorite T-shirt of all time says, "Be You. They'll Adapt."
 
@Ent, Pick a thread, make the intro to the thread clear so people know what to expect, and post away. Ignore those who complain, you told them what to expect and they voluntarily chose to proceed. Even better, if it's your blog or you have admin rights here, delete the comments from the yahoos. :)

Every once in awhile, I'm a jerk because I don't think through how others might take my meaning. I don't mean to be, and I try really hard, but sometimes I miss the mark. Only thing I can go is apologise, make amends where appropriate, and try to learn from it.

In your case, as long as people know what to expect in your thread, none of that applies to you. My favorite T-shirt of all time says, "Be You. They'll Adapt."
This method honestly sounds best to me, both for posting here and elsewhere. One can neither anticipate nor control the mindsets of others and in the case of the latter, one should not try to. Other people take their choices and one's only responsibility is to respond as one's principles deem best.
 
I've had a productive week on volume one despite being out of the country, attending a conference and sight-seeing.

Volume 1 has over 241,000 words in it. I used Grammarly to find a bunch of potential problems and corrected between 500 and 1000 of them. A lot of sentences now scan much better for doing that work!

Plus, I altered a chapter by adding an actual song with an actual tune. The prior story version, written years ago, described the nature of the music and the emotions the song evoked, but there was no actual song verse in the story. It always bothered me, but I'm not a song or music composer, so I just ignored my dislike and carried on. Now I've got a tune that perfectly fits what I want (I didn't write it, I'm just altering an existing tune by adding some extra stanzas to it.) I did, however, write the words to the song from whole cloth. Woot!

It still needs some word-smithing, but we're staying at a friend's house. I can't sing worth a hoot and won't willingly inflict my severe lack of talent at singing on any decent person if I can avoid it. So I'll need to go to the park or my backyard when I get home and sing it out loud to properly identify the word-scanning issues - and fix them. But that's just a matter of time and persistence!

I hope you are all cranking away at your writing and making progress that you like!!
 
I am in the process of writing a fanfiction about Curufin, 'The Works of Curufinwë'. I have already published the first chapter here on TTF, but I will wait until I have completed it before posting the rest. It's meant to 'fill the gaps' in the Silmarillion, meaning that I am retelling Curufin's story from his perspective, and from the perspective of his son, Celebrimbor.

I have started writing what will almost certainly be the longest chapter, which will be about Curufin's involvement in Nargothrond and the Beren and Lúthien story. This chapter promises to be a lengthy task, as the published Silmarillion goes into much more detail about Curufin's actions at this point, and I don't want to overlook or ignore any small detail in the text about his thoughts and motives.

I have also started writing a companion story. It involves much more speculation on my part, as it is about Curufin's relationship with his unnamed wife. I have just posted the first chapter here.


I will complete this second story after I have finished with The Works of Curufinwë, since the end of it could count as a speculative epilogue to Curufin's story as a whole, though it will not be directly based on any text by Tolkien.
 
Well. At great personal risk, I peeked into the General Chaoticness Thread once again, escaping just before catatonia set in.
This I will say - the thread certainly benefits to keep you all writing, and keep your creative juices flowing.
Lol, does Tyelko's diet horrify you? Don't worry, it horrifies Maitimo too. 😂
 
Jokes about the Cloning topic aside, I have been making very good progress on Ill Chances and Strange Fates. I wrote an entire 5,000 word chapter yesterday! @Server Room Gremlin has described it as a tennis match of awkwardness between Maitimo and Aranya. 😂

So now I have a prologue and two complete chapters. I'm thinking after I finish up the current story arc, and edit these chapters, I'll start posting it here and on AO3.

I hope to start another chapter today, because my brain is full of ideas. But I have some stuff to do at work first.
 
Jokes about the Cloning topic aside, I have been making very good progress on Ill Chances and Strange Fates. I wrote an entire 5,000 word chapter yesterday! @Server Room Gremlin has described it as a tennis match of awkwardness between Maitimo and Aranya. 😂

So now I have a prologue and two complete chapters. I'm thinking after I finish up the current story arc, and edit these chapters, I'll start posting it here and on AO3.

I hope to start another chapter today, because my brain is full of ideas. But I have some stuff to do at work first.
" a tennis match of awkwardness "

That sounds glorious!
 
Indeed!
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