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Tecno's Mr Collins vibes are off the charts. 😂
Particularly here:
“From what I have observed of his overly muscular figure and incredibly stupid decision to ride in the woods alone at night while wounded, I have concluded that he spends far more time in athletic pursuits than in developing the mind.”

However, he really needs to learn boundaries regarding personal space. 😒

Maitimo stared at her forlornly. “I’m not hungry.”

Aranya widened her eyes at him, looking as sad and pathetic as a kicked puppy, and even Nolofinwë felt an uncomfortable guilt when looking at her. “But I went all the way to the kitchen to get you this! It’s just a warm, mild, beef broth. Very comforting. I just wanted to share some of that comfort with you. Is my effort going to be wasted?”

“Well… no…” Maitimo sighed, winced, and avoided Aranya’s gaze. She and Nolofinwë carefully helped him sit up, and Aranya placed the tray on his lap. “I’m sorry. I don’t mean to scorn your kindness.”

“Don’t apologize. Just eat,” Aranya said bluntly.
I pictured both Maitimo and Aranya doing sad puppy eyes at each other here. 😂🥺

Poor Maitimo, the only thing that can bypass his stubbornness is guilt. At least this tendency is here being used for his benefit? 😅🥲


Something I always enjoy about your writing is all these small character moments where they're just interacting with each other, and it's not necessarily about a big momentous event or a significant turning point in the plot.
I never know what's going to happen next, which increases my enthusiasm to read on, and your characterisations are charming. Except for the irritating or odious individuals, of course.
 
I Knew It Was Garlic Rat As Soon As I Saw That First Line!
Maybe he'll find out how much we don't like his breath attacks. We'll stuff a cheese in his mouth; maybe it'll gain some extra flavoring.
That's an extremely vivid mental picture, and it's simultaneously grossing me out and cracking me up! 🤣

I wonder why Tecno likes Aranya when her reactions to him have been so clearly negative. What's drawing him? It must be her beauty, because she certainly hasn't been giving him reasons to like her personally.
Some guys see female rejection as a challenge to keep going until they "win." 🙄 I think the more she rejects him, the more he likes her. On the spectrum of Rejection Sensitivity, Maitimo is at one extreme end (getting physically ill when he senses a slightly negative change in someone's behavior towards him) and Tecno is at the other extreme (ZERO awareness of when he's getting signals to stop his current behavior).

Which, I guess, leads me to wonder if Aranya finds rejection sensitivity to be an attractive trait. 😂

Yes, PLEASE, Mother Healer. Royal prohibition. And if that doesn't help, maybe send Tecno to House Fëanor. An ultimatum, I know, but it could work.
🤣 sending Tecno to the House of Fëanor is an epic and hilarious idea! Oh, would he get his little butt kicked from having to deal with, say, an injured Tyelko just once!!!!

If they ever did know, I can think of only one sibling who'd actually tell their father: Morifinwë. And then Fëanor would descend like a volcanic eruption, with Nerdanel right behind him ':]
Heh, yeah, Moryo is physically incapable of keeping his mouth shut sometimes!

Tecno's Mr Collins vibes are off the charts. 😂
Particularly here:
"My esteemed patroness Lady Catherine de Bourgh would not approve of those who over-develop their bodies and under-develop their minds!"

Poor Maitimo, the only thing that can bypass his stubbornness is guilt. At least this tendency is here being used for his benefit? 😅🥲
Yeah, as we'll explore further in Arc 3... 🫠

Something I always enjoy about your writing is all these small character moments where they're just interacting with each other, and it's not necessarily about a big momentous event or a significant turning point in the plot.
I never know what's going to happen next, which increases my enthusiasm to read on, and your characterisations are charming. Except for the irritating or odious individuals, of course.
Thank you! I think we have Jane Austen to thank for teaching me that. When I was in high school and read Persuasion, I was in awe of her ability to take small, seemingly mundane human interactions and make them seem of paramount importance. And it's something I love to attempt to do in my own writing too.


Hey everyone, I know there are a few who have not commented on this chapter yet. I hope to post the next chapter soon but would love to hear from some more of you first!
 
Maedhros has told me that no thoughts are too many thoughts, and so, I will be holding nothing back, but, bear in mind, I'm the unpublished author of two complete full-length novels, and it's not an exaggeration to say that... I love to write... a lot. So, if this gets long... my apologies.

There. Now that that's out of the way, I'll get into my thoughts on the Prologue.

Prologue Thoughts : Elbereth Vala Varda

Where to begin... what a charming read this was. I appreciate how it instantly starts to captivate and capture your attention, not necessarily because you know these characters, because, you really couldn't know Raiwen, and you are not likely to know Maedhros that well (Tolkien did not afford us many personal and detailed stories of the Feanorians, sadly), but you are likely to instantly connect with the feelings that they are feeling. Suddenly, it's not a matter of Raiwen or Maedhros. Someone less-immersed might well think that they weren't even the characters in the beginning. But, missing someone, yearning for someone, worrying about someone, it's a painfully human experience and one that I think nearly all of us have experienced in some way.

This brings me to the beauty of this scene unfolding, and how, very subtly, we are reminded that it isn't just any circumstance, and the dread sets in even harder. Now, a blizzard can only be so relatable to so many, but I certainly related to it. And the descriptions are so vivid and tangible that I genuinely think, even if you hadn't been in a storm of that magnitude, you would have some perspective for what it might feel like. It was really a masterfully done work in terms of description, where each word didn't just offer a visual, but a sensual aspect that one could truly imagine.

And then at last, the big reveal comes. In the mentions of the red hair, of the missing hand, and of course in the tangled braid that hangs from the head of the mighty warrior. Suddenly, there is no doubt, and Maedhros is revealed as the unrequited love of our protagonist, Raiwen. There's a subtleness in that scene that I think is so beautiful in the way that it hints to a deeper meaning behind their friendship. On the surface, they are a lord and a healer. Maedhros, the battered battle-lord and Aranya, the charming and caring healer. But, something deeper stretches between them, seen only in the lingering glances, in the silent collections of each other's pain, in the words that don't require a voice.

I get a clear sense that their love is unspoken, and perhaps has remained that way. It brings an interesting aspect, as well, that it is a healer and a lord. While, I admit that I have never dwelled or contemplated on the subject, it is entirely possible that those who would tend to a wounded lord or king may well feel a certain intimacy with him (I mean this in the more spiritual or literal form of intimacy, into me see, not in the context of a sexual union) after caring for him in such a personal capacity.

I thought the details about the snow left in the curls, the bitterness of the cold, the redness at the fingertips, were really nice to include. Having been in blizzards, I've experience all of that, and to me, it's those little things that make the story stretch beyond the page as if you were really conversing with someone and they really were to share their own experiences.

A brief commentary on the characters

Secondly, I would like to address the characters. These seem so interesting, even just in this first part. We find Raiwen in the beginning as waiting for her lover to come home. One might even first picture her as a queen or a maiden, waited on by her subjects as her troubled heart restlessly tosses in her chest, awaiting the return of her beloved. But, quickly that facade falls away and we see that she is a healer, more here by her capacity to heal than by this blossoming union. That being said, this unspoken closeness must be somewhat honored, since she is not with the other warriors, tending to them, but instead just waiting for the chance to tend to Maedhros himself.

This is seen again when Maedhros summons her and the other healers give knowing looks, indicating that perhaps they know that this bond is not one to separate, and however much it may be unrequited because of everything in the lives of these both, it is mutual.

I turn my attention next to Maedhros, who I think is excellently depicted here. In the Silmarillion, it is scarcely visited how the treatment on Thangorodrim would have shaped our dear Maitimo, but it is doubtless that it most certainly would have shaped him. Besides undoubted physical turmoil from the elements, the tax mentally of something so long and so devastatingly painful would undoubtedly crush the spirit, perhaps even quell some of that Feanorian fire, and it seems to have done both.

We find Maedhros as the mighty warrior, who has now lowered himself enough to receive care, despite not being glad about it. I think this is excellent, because it could be, in all truth, interpreted two ways. One could see it as it was briefly put, that he just feels like too much of a burden, now, That the time in his torment has made him unvalue his life, and so he would rather suffer than be helped. It could also be interpreted as a sort of Feanorian tenaciousness, a refusal to be helped, desiring to prove against all odds that one can care for themselves and is not in the need of healing.

Whatever case, however, the strong Maedhros still does receive care, and in a sort of commentary by Aranya, we see that he has asked for it before, or hinted towards it, at least. She also mentions the exact locations of wounds, how hers were the hands that stitched every scar. Poetically, I cannot help but wonder if that statement stretches to unphysical wounds as well.

I think I should also mention, their appearance is such an interesting element as well. Aranya, apparently has the same dark hair as all the others, perhaps a metaphor in disguise for a desire to simply slip into the background and not be noticed. And Maedhros of course has the opposite, fiery red curls announcing his presence, even when he would not like them to.

In these two, I think there's a very interesting contrast, and I'm very interested to see where it will go next.

Well, there you go, @Maedhros_Nelyafinwë . Hope I didn't overwhelm you. It was an amazing prologue! Well done!
 
Wow, Elbereth, even your commentary is beautiful to read! The poet in you shows up even here!

I appreciate how it instantly starts to captivate and capture your attention, not necessarily because you know these characters, because, you really couldn't know Raiwen, and you are not likely to know Maedhros that well (Tolkien did not afford us many personal and detailed stories of the Feanorians, sadly), but you are likely to instantly connect with the feelings that they are feeling. Suddenly, it's not a matter of Raiwen or Maedhros. Someone less-immersed might well think that they weren't even the characters in the beginning. But, missing someone, yearning for someone, worrying about someone, it's a painfully human experience and one that I think nearly all of us have experienced in some way.
I'm so glad you felt this way! Even though most of my readers are probably familiar with The Silmarillion, I've tried to write this fic in such a way as to make it easy for people who aren't as familiar still able to enjoy it. And I have had a couple of friends who aren't Tolkien fans read at least the beginning.

This brings me to the beauty of this scene unfolding, and how, very subtly, we are reminded that it isn't just any circumstance, and the dread sets in even harder. Now, a blizzard can only be so relatable to so many, but I certainly related to it. And the descriptions are so vivid and tangible that I genuinely think, even if you hadn't been in a storm of that magnitude, you would have some perspective for what it might feel like. It was really a masterfully done work in terms of description, where each word didn't just offer a visual, but a sensual aspect that one could truly imagine.
Sensory description is difficult for me, but as a Michigander I'm very well acquainted with snowstorms, so I'm glad that came through!

Suddenly, there is no doubt, and Maedhros is revealed as the unrequited love of our protagonist, Raiwen.
I get a clear sense that their love is unspoken, and perhaps has remained that way. It brings an interesting aspect, as well, that it is a healer and a lord. While, I admit that I have never dwelled or contemplated on the subject, it is entirely possible that those who would tend to a wounded lord or king may well feel a certain intimacy with him (I mean this in the more spiritual or literal form of intimacy, into me see, not in the context of a sexual union) after caring for him in such a personal capacity.
Well, all I can say is you'll have to read on to discover how exactly their relationship developed and what they feel for each other!

Secondly, I would like to address the characters. These seem so interesting, even just in this first part. We find Raiwen in the beginning as waiting for her lover to come home. One might even first picture her as a queen or a maiden, waited on by her subjects as her troubled heart restlessly tosses in her chest, awaiting the return of her beloved. But, quickly that facade falls away and we see that she is a healer, more here by her capacity to heal than by this blossoming union. That being said, this unspoken closeness must be somewhat honored, since she is not with the other warriors, tending to them, but instead just waiting for the chance to tend to Maedhros himself.
Very good points! While I haven't written far enough into the future to flesh out more details about their life in Himring, I have thought that Aranya walks an interesting line between servant and nobility. As Maedhros' primary healer, the only one he completely trusts, she's more than just a servant. But at the same time, their circumstances are such that she can't be known to the public as Lady of Himring, even if that's the title she deserves.

I turn my attention next to Maedhros, who I think is excellently depicted here. In the Silmarillion, it is scarcely visited how the treatment on Thangorodrim would have shaped our dear Maitimo, but it is doubtless that it most certainly would have shaped him. Besides undoubted physical turmoil from the elements, the tax mentally of something so long and so devastatingly painful would undoubtedly crush the spirit, perhaps even quell some of that Feanorian fire, and it seems to have done both.
It is too bad Tolkien doesn't give us more canon detail about it, but one of the few sentences he does give us is very poignant:
"His body recovered from his torment and became hale, but the shadow of his pain was in his heart..."
(When I was new to The Silmarillion, I was like, Tolkien, how can you write something like that and expect me not to love this guy??)

Now, I use my own interpretation in this fic to say Maedhros always has some lingering physical problems as a result of the torture, because it's more interesting to me that way. It's possible Tolkien meant that a Valinorian Elf would heal 100% from everything except obviously recovering the missing hand. But I like to interpret it more as, maybe Maedhros looks fine to outsiders, and he can manage to do all these amazing accomplishments in going to war and leading a kingdom, but he still has lingering pain and keeps it closely guarded. To me, that fits in the spirit of "the shadow of his pain was in his heart."

Whatever case, however, the strong Maedhros still does receive care, and in a sort of commentary by Aranya, we see that he has asked for it before, or hinted towards it, at least. She also mentions the exact locations of wounds, how hers were the hands that stitched every scar. Poetically, I cannot help but wonder if that statement stretches to unphysical wounds as well.
Spot on!

I think I should also mention, their appearance is such an interesting element as well. Aranya, apparently has the same dark hair as all the others, perhaps a metaphor in disguise for a desire to simply slip into the background and not be noticed. And Maedhros of course has the opposite, fiery red curls announcing his presence, even when he would not like them to.
That's a great observation! I think Maedhros' appearance doesn't match his personality. At his core he's mild-mannered and gentle, and probably doesn't want all this attention. But he's taller than everybody else, has an unusual hair color and texture, and is especially good looking-- and later on, his scars and missing hand would be a noticeable thing too. So in Valinor, he had to learn how to embrace the attention he got and be charming and engaging with other people. He still has those skills after he recovers from his torment, but it's a bit hidden by a layer of coldness and guardedness.

As for Aranya's appearance and how it connects with her personality, you'll find out more about that if you keep reading!

Well, there you go, @Maedhros_Nelyafinwë . Hope I didn't overwhelm you. It was an amazing prologue! Well done!
Oh, far from it! I ate it all up, because those of you who give me feedback on this story are a rare bunch, and I treasure it! Thank you so much for taking the time to read it and write this lovely review!
 
Now, I use my own interpretation in this fic to say Maedhros always has some lingering physical problems as a result of the torture, because it's more interesting to me that way. It's possible Tolkien meant that a Valinorian Elf would heal 100% from everything except obviously recovering the missing hand. But I like to interpret it more as, maybe Maedhros looks fine to outsiders, and he can manage to do all these amazing accomplishments in going to war and leading a kingdom, but he still has lingering pain and keeps it closely guarded. To me, that fits in the spirit of "the shadow of his pain was in his heart."
It's such a short line, yet it gives so much insight (and provokes speculation) about this character...

Personally, I interpreted this quote to mean lasting mental pain or trauma. Mainly because it says the shadow of pain was 'in his heart', which is an old way of saying 'in his thoughts and feelings', or in the immaterial part of himself.
The way the brain and nervous system works is affected by being in unceasing pain and physical stress for so long. So while I imagine him healing physically almost perfectly after Thangorodrim*, the most severe lasting wound is to his psyche: he feels like a different person afterwards. Maybe not as much to his brothers, but to himself, he finds it strange to remember who he was before this. It feels very distant and long ago, or it feels like looking at someone else.

* The exceptions being his missing hand, one or two lasting scars from when he was beaten up in the battle where he was captured, and feeling just slightly different in his posture and the way he moves, even though his body has pretty much recovered from being suspended in such an unnatural position.

Maybe he also has thoughts, or has dreams or flashbacks about how much pain he was in back then, and remembering how he felt physically and emotionally comes back to haunt him at times. 😕 😞
 
Thoughts on Cracks and Blunders, Chapter One

Wow, another amazing chapter, and one that left me giddy and smiling. To start, I love the simplicity of the childhood of the Eldar. It's one thing that I think isn't explored enough, given that Elves age so interestingly and are pretty much immortal in most senses. I really enjoyed this part, and seeing the young Elda being kids, but still having the principles and attitudes and personalities that will later show themselves and reveal themselves more and more, was really neat. I love also, how real the story you've written here is. Although we don't hear about any specific bow that Fingolfin imparted to his son, it makes perfect sense and follows into an entirely plausible narrative, and one that I think brings even more depth and relatability to the characters, which could never be a bad thing.

I love also the twins, and the very real truth that kids that young seldom actually know what their actions mean. And, perhaps I am thinking too far ahead here, but I also wonder if it is not in some ways a subtle hint or reference to present day events, as well, since while Elves (and humans, too, honestly) will have an understanding that hitting someone is bound to hurt them by adulthood, but still may not grasp some of the things we do that can cause the greatest pain to one another. I'm curious whether that is going to be some mild foreshadowing, and if it is, I'm definitely here for it.

I really loved the very child-like demeanors of everyone, too. It really is how I would imagine them all having been in their younger years, and it's amazing, because you capture it in such a rich and vivid way that you can totally see these little kids becoming the people you know that they will eventually. Maedhros being so absorbed in his studies, Fingon trying to be helpful by fetching a healer, Tyelko using "half-cousin", which likely would have come from hearing "half-brother" all the time from Feanor when he spoke of Fingolfin. It's just those little details that to me, feel so real and in a really true way, bring the story to life, maybe in an even more understandable and certainly more relatable way, than what canon Silmarillion has included.

This scene with the healers, too, was just-- amazing! I love how you get the awkward, stumbling over your words type of behavior, because that's exactly how kids tend to be in those kinds of situations, and it's great, too, how everyone's personalities so quickly get shown. And then of course, the apologies, the blushing, the little nods and glances and grins and wondering if they saw that, and wondering if they like you-- so real when it comes to the strange awkwardness of loving someone. It's like this innocent little crush between these too, and I'm totally here for it.

I'm also wondering what will happen with this note! I would guess, that Maitimo is going to show up at the pond, but of course, I suppose he could shock us all, too. And I love how there's so much fire in Aranya, and yet, it's not disrespect. I think, I've often disliked that in certain stories. It's easy for "bucking authority" or "rebelliousness" to become just plain disrespectful. I like that she still respects and understands the fact that... they are royalty, and she is not, but the fiery and equal-chance attitude I think is a fun way to reveal her personality just enough, and yet still bridge it with being a respectful and dedicated young lady, which I am sure would be the reason why she is a healer and is allowed to work so close with the royalty.

A brief commentary on the characters

The characters in this one were so compelling and interesting, too. I'll focus mainly on Aranya and Maedhros, but I feel I would be amiss to not at least mention the great stuff you did with the others, too!

Firstly, Tyelko and Finno. I thought these two were done so well, especially bickering back and forth. To me, it's an entirely believable narrative and totally normal for little kids. And Maitimo in the middle as the peacemaker, I believe is accurate too, and certainly a subtle foreshadowing for what he will become in the future, which I think is always a neat detail to include. I like how he was trying to balance all of this fighting and disagreement, because, I would say, to some capacity he does that in the books, too, just later on with actual nations that protest and despise each other. Starting out young!

I also loved little Pityo and Telvo, just figuring out what it means to live and breathe and hurt someone accidentally, and what that makes you feel. It's odd, but all those things really do have to be learned. (Side note, I can remember it was a long time before I figured that pain was actually a thing and not just an unpleasant sensation to keep to yourself... it took cutting myself while playing with a toy and bleeding all over before my mother finally told me that yes, this is a real thing, and yes, if you have something that hurts, you can tell someone. Just a funny memory I had while reading this) And I love the nicknames, and the bickering and copying voices and stuff, just SO real for little kids who are being little monsters to each other.

Finally, Maitimo. I loved how you wrote him in his little form. Already a peacemaker, like I mentioned, but even the subtle things: voice cracks, getting taller, feeling sore from basically growing pains-- such a real experience that I think makes him so relatable. I also love how he's almost a little puffed up about the fact that he studies so hard. It's great, because you just know that Feanor has been instilling that in him for a long time, Nerdanel too, honestly, and what parents value is absolutely what you'll value too, at that age.

I like his interactions with Aranya, too. It reveals subtle things about him, like how he's not afraid to admit that he's wrong about something and apologize, which of course makes him a far more likeable character, and I think very much fits the canon version of Maedhros which we later get. I think it's so good, too, how this awkward little mess is blooming into something more, because at that age, that's so often exactly how it happens.

And now Aranya. Wow, loved how we see more of her spunkiness in this chapter! And it makes sense that you would, too, because she's much more in the capacity of being able to be herself completely in this scene. Obviously, life and pain and grief and other things are bound to shape you, and I'm very curious to see what kind of events and things have brought her from being the spunky and unafraid healer girl to the more withdrawn, worried person we see in the most present chapters.

I loved the way that she was respectful, but still very much believable for a younger person, getting on Maitimo for not having enough fun, being insulted that her age was being assumed just because she's short, and even having the courage to send the note. It was great, because I think it's really real for someone in her capacity and age, and it's likeable, while still revealing the rebellious teenager norm, and maybe something even behind that which goes even deeper.

Loved this chapter so much and can't wait to keep reading! Amazing job, @Maedhros_Nelyafinwë !
 

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