What happened to 🧙Gandalf and Lord 🧝Elrond in the west?

[lorddanielossy]

I am speculating if Gendalf is immortal and could not possibly die, what became of him and lord Elrond in the west?

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Gandalf would most likely revert to his identity as Olorin, and Elrond would share the fate of all Elves, that is, living on until the conclusion of the Story of Arda.

 

[Alcuin]

I wonder if Elrond ever came to envy Elros, or otherwise regretted his choice? That would be ironic, given the envy Númenóreans had for the Elves.

 

[Rivendell_librarian]

In PJ's world wouldn't there be a need for a Return to Middle Earth: episodes 7-9 as per another franchise.

 

[Olorgando]

Non-identical twins can be as different from each other as any other siblings with more usual age differences. There has been a discussion about impatient quick-gratification and patient putting off of gratification going on since the famous marshmallow test on very young kids of some decades ago (among such as know what I'm writing about).
"Grafting" this on an Elven scale of time, this would make Elros the "impatient quick-gratification" one, becoming first King of Númenor at an age (58) that in later Númenórean times would have degraded him to "teenager" status, and ruling longer (442 years) than any Númenórean King or Queen after him ever lived.
Elrond had to wait for his insignia of worth for quite a while (Vilya was first given to Gil-galad, of whom Elrond was only squire in the War of the Last Alliance …), Basically until the Third Age, at which time he also only became a father (at about 3600 years old) ...

In PJ's world wouldn't there be a need for a Return to Middle Earth: episodes 7-9 as per another franchise.

Wouldn't that have been covered by GoT by now? I have no idea, having never seen a single episode. I only read that Sean Bean had a role in it - and died, as he had done in FoTR.

 

[Alcuin]

There are two tellings of the tale of Elros and Elrond. Most of the time, Elros is named first. In a later telling, they are twins. But in the earlier tellings, Elros is the elder brother and Elrond the younger. Eärendil, their father, wanted to be numbered among Men and pass from Arda; but Elwing his wife loved the Teleri and wished to remain with them, so Eärendil also chose to be numbered among the Eldar in order that he and Elwing should not be parted. The choice of Elros, therefore, reflected that of his father, a choice frustrated by the choice of his mother.

There is evidence, however, that Elros was the elder son. It was Elros, not Elrond, who received the patrilineal inheritance: Elu Thingol’s sword Aranrúth came from his mother Elwing of Doriath, and became the personal weapon of the Kings of Númenor; the great Axe of Tuor his grandfather, Dramborleg; the Bow of Bregor of the House of Bëor; and the Ring of Barahir father of Beren One-handed, which survived the Ruin of Númenor because Tar-Elendil gave it to his eldest, his daughter Silmariën through whom it became an heirloom of the Lords of Andúnië and so became the inheritance Elendil the Tall. It was the Ring of Barahir, in its beginning the ring of Finrod Felagund, that Aragorn gave Arwen in token of their pledge to one another: an engagement ring, if you will, and sign of their mutual heritage.

Though Elros was indeed 58 at the end of the First Age, he was ninety when he became the first King of Númenor. (Unfinished Tales, Part Two, “III The Line of Elros: Kings of Númenor”, first paragraph)

 

[Olorgando]

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Though Elros was indeed 58 at the end of the First Age, he was ninety when he became the first King of Númenor. (Unfinished Tales, Part Two, “III The Line of Elros: Kings of Númenor”, first paragraph)

Right-o, got his year of death in the Second Age, 442, mixed up with the duration of his reign.
Makes one wonder when that extreme prolongation of life for the Númenóreans, granted by Eru, took effect.
I mean for Elros, we're talking about sevenfold (of 70), for many early Kings and Queens close to six-fold, not just the diddly triple Aragorn was granted.
Beor the Old is said to have died at 93 (so Foster and Schneidewind; Tyler confusingly puts it at 84 … 🤔 )
Many of the early Kings and Queens of Númenor only ascended the throne well past their 200th year. Aldarion was "only" 183 when his father Tar-Meneldur surrendered the scepter early (his father living 59 more years after that). And the early kings only became fathers well after their 100th year, often even 150th … 😱

 

[Rivendell_librarian]

I haven't seen any Game of Thrones either but I gather it has many fans.

 

[Miguel]

Makes one wonder when that extreme prolongation of life for the Númenóreans, granted by Eru, took effect.

Me two. I guess any of the Edain who entered the island became long lived and not just the house of Elros? 🤔 There were also Drúedain living there.

I haven't seen any Game of Thrones either but I gather it has many fans.

😆

 

[Olorgando]

I haven't seen any Game of Thrones either but I gather it has many fans.

😆

Are you implying that G.R.R. Martin and the TV series derived from his books "took a walk on the wild side" to plug the "plot holes" Martin is quoted as complaining about in JRRT's works in another thread here?
Sam and Rose had thirteen children between 1421 and 1442 Shire Reckoning. Sam was between the ages of 41 and 62, Rose between 37 and 58 during this time … 😏