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Who Is The Last Remaining Eldar in M-e?

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I've read Galadriel is "the last remaining Eldar in M-e" at the time of LoTR's ending.

I'm not sure this is accurate, as Cirdan and Celeborn remain after she leaves, to aid those elves who will still sail west until the time comes none wanting to go are left. These two are also Eldar, yes?

Galadriel may be considered the 'most powerful of the Eldar remaining'... but I think not the last.
Thoughts?
 
According to text, he waited untl there were no Elves remaining in M-e who would choose to sail West, then he and Celeborn departed for the last time, together.
 
Hmmmmm. What then of Legolas, who took Gimli with him, after the death of Aragorn? Legolas and Gimli were the last of the nine of the Fellowship.
As the time of their passing West is not revealed (or is it? If it is, that's all the better - I'll go check), one must only conclude there were others of the Elves still in M-e who would sail west at a later time.

They were the last of the Nine, yet far from the last of the 'Elves' in M-e. (Gimli not being an elf but an exception in his sailing, whenever that was, of course.)

Is there come conflict between the textual statement of 'waiting until the last of the Elves who would, did"... and the Legolas and Gimli event?
I don't see any, without some conflicting text being stated I guess.
 
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As the time of their passing West is not revealed, ...
There I must correct you with author-published statements.

Appendix B, the Tale of Years of the Third Age, the very last entry (given in Shire Reckoning):
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"In this year on March 1st came at last the Passing of King Elessar. It is said that the beds of Meriadoc and Peregrin were set beside the bed of the great king. Then Legolas built a grey ship in Ithilien, and sailed down Anduin and so over sea; and with him, it is said, went Gimli the Dwarf. And when that ship passed an end was come in Middle-earth of the Fellowship of the Ring."

Erm ... so
1) their passing is recorded
BUT
2) Cirdan doesn't seem to be involved.

How Legolas, a Sindarin Elf of Thranduil's realm, gained the knowledge to build a ship that could take the Straight Road to Tol Erresëa and Valinor, is puzzling ...
 
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Can you refer me to the exact text or texts, Sir Ent? I have a guess, but wanna be sure.
I shall do so 'soon'. Merrily editing on this book... 8 1/2 hours in today. A bit more to do before I call it quits for the day.
 
Appendix B, the Tale of Years of the Third Age, the very last entry (given in Shire Reckoning):
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Yes, this is what I referred to (by later addition) when I felt I needed to go back and check. One of my lonely bits of heartwood was trying to tell me I may have read it there a bit ago. Thanks for confirming, while i was busy on other pursuits here..!! You're a champ.

Even if Cirdan wasn't said to be involved, he could have likely been. He was the 'common way' folks went in that direction.

That said, I'm still uncertain it means there weren't other Elves who would later want to depart M-e. Sadly, the only reference I've seen regarding when Cirdan and Celeborn left, refers to that issue... none others willing. And no dating as to when that was is specified anywhere I've found.

SO.. for me, it remains speculative... with a strong likelihood it does not correspond to a Legolas/Gimli event.

But I'll go relax in my recliner... (always a difficulty to get into)... and do some searching to provide @Elthir with what I can.
Then we'll let him chomp on it a bit, and see what hairballs may come back out. 😀
He's always good for a 'setting straight' or otherwise... or something... or not... as he sometimes adds.
 
OK so these are the only references I can find at this time, though I fell like I'm missing something: I can't find the language I used above, yet I feel pretty certain it's almosst a direct quote... I'll keep looking.

It is told that he remained at the Havens until the end, sailing West himself on the last ship to leave Middle-earth. Tyler, J. E. A.. The Complete Tolkien Companion (p. 160). St. Martin's Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.

Also stated in Foster of course.

But I read this in SIL "Of the Rings fo Power and the Third Age:"
"White was that ship and long was it a-building, and long it awaited the end of which Círdan had spoken. But when all these things were done, and the Heir of Isildur had taken up the lordship of Men, and the dominion of the West had passed to him, then it was made plain that the power of the Three Rings also was ended, and to the Firstborn the world grew old and grey. In that time the last of the Noldor set sail from the Havens and left Middle-earth for ever. And latest of all the Keepers of the Three Rings rode to the Sea, and Master Elrond took there the ship that Círdan had made ready. In the twilight of autumn it sailed out of Mithlond, until the seas of the Bent World fell away beneath it, and the winds of the round sky troubled it no more, and borne upon the high airs above the mists of the world it passed into the Ancient West, and an end was come for the Eldar of story and of song." Tolkien, J.R.R.. The Silmarillion (p. 307). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.
 
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How Legolas, a Sindarin Elf of Thranduil's realm, gained the knowledge to build a ship that could take the Straight Road to Tol Erresëa and Valinor, is puzzling ...

After Legolas was "struck" by the Sea (Galadriel's warning), he started studying ;)

Also stated in Foster of course.

Robert Foster indeed writ [A Guide To Middle-Earth]: "It is said that Círdan remained in Middle-earth until the sailing of the last white ship sometime in the Fourth Age."

But I still say (meaning, in my opinion) this bearded Elf sailed September 29, 1421, Shire Reckoning.

But I read this in SIL "Of the Rings fo Power and the Third Age:"

Indeedy!

"White was that ship and long was it a-building, and long it awaited the end of which Círdan had spoken.

I note too, the last two sentences before this sentence [in other words, the last two sentences of the previous paragraph], in which Círdan states: "But as for me, my heart is with the sea, and I will dwell by the Grey Shores, guarding the Havens until the last ship sails. Then I shall await thee." [new paragraph] "White was that ship and long was it a-building. . . "

It seems to me that "that ship" refers to the previous "last ship", and so, this might not be literally the last ship [Legolas for example], but rather a fitting reference to a notable, historic ship leaving Middle-earth, considering who was on it.

I do like the idea of Círdan staying until a literal last ship, but I also find the other idea [if it works]
to be a fitting "bookmark" so to speak, for this character. In Círdan [Last Writings, POME] it's noted that his name "describes his later functions in the history of the First Three Ages, . . ."

I'm not going to push "Three Ages" strongly there, but in any case, the text also relates that, by searching for Elwe, Círdan "forfeited the fulfilment of his greatest desire: to see the Blessed Realm and find there again Olwe and his nearest kin."

Here Kírdan even kries out that he will sail West: "alone if none will come with me, for the ship that I have been building is now almost ready." Of course he receives a message (in his heart), warning him of this peril, and to abide. And he saw "in a vision maybe" a ship -- a foretelling of Earendil's ship (here Círdan was involved with its building), and from that night onwards, the Shipwright (I didn't wanna say Círdan again) received foresight touching all matters of importance, beyond the measure of all other Elves upon Middle-earth.

And much later when Gandalf arrives, the Elda surrenders Narya, "For Círdan saw further and deeper than any other in Middle-earth" and he welcomed the Wizard (I didn't wanna write Gandalf again) "knowing whence he came and wither he would return." Appendix B

Focusing on the return: "But as for me, my heart is with the Sea, and I will dwell by the Grey Shores until the last ship sails. I will await you." Appendix B, The Return of the King [Tolkien using almost the exact same wording as quoted above from Of The Rings Of Power And The Third Age].

Does this prove beyond a doubt that Círdan awaited Gandalf to sail, with the old Elf, at last, looking toward the West with that great desire? No. But I think Tolkien wanted to have both ideas in play: again, a literal last ship, and Círdan's last great work of art in Middle-earth.

But if I was forced to pick which is "true" :)
 
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A lot of folks quote the following as well:

"At the Grey Havens dwelt Círdan the Shipwright, and some say he dwells there still, until the Last Ship sets sail into the West. In the days of the Kings most of the High Elves that still lingered in Middle-earth dwelt with Círdan or in the seaward lands of Lindon. If any now remain they are few." Appendix A, Eriador, Arnor, and the Heirs of Isildur, The Return of The King


Interestingly, we have Last Ship here (not last ship), but in any case, for example, this is quoted material from a Hobbit writer (possibly even Kalimac Brandagamba himself), and could have been written before Círdan sailed.

Anywho, I 🐾 to reflect.
 
and the wealth continues to pawr forth.
thanks..!

Anywho, I 🐾 to reflect.
As have I.
After cataloging all information now at hand, coupled with a little additional research and pondering of my own, I've formed my conclusion (decision, final analysis, whatever) - and find it no surprise.
 

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