Why Faramir was bad. . .

[Mrs. Maggott]

In the EE, we learn that Jackson either was not telling the truth or he didn't remember the reason for his changes of the character. It seems that it isn't the Ring that's the problem with Faramir, but Daddy! (Jackson must have a thing with fathers given his Elrond/Arwen exposition.)

Anyway, in the EE, we see Denethor greeting with joy his triumphant older son who has apparently won back Osgiliath from the forces of the enemy - whose original capture of the ruined city is something which Faramir "allowed to happen" according to Daddy. Boromir appears to dislike his father and sides with his brother whom Denethor treats with open scorn. Denethor also sends Boromir to the council that "Elrond has called" with orders to bring the Ring to Gondor (apparently, he has guessed that it has been found for whatever reason!). So it is not the Ring or its lure that motivates Faramir, but the desire to get into the good graces of his very unpleasant (and certainly nothing like I would have imagined physically or otherwise) father Denethor.

Thus Jackson's revelation that he changed Faramir in an attempt to display the power of the Ring is, guess what? Wrong!!

Oh, and p.s., in the EE, we see Faramir's bully boys beating and kicking Gollum. No wonder the little creep was angry with Frodo who, during this scene of disgusting brutality (frankly, Gondor's Rangers aren't much better than Saruman's orcs!) instead of entreating of their captors better treatment for his "servant" was busy elsewhere in the cave succumbing once again to the power of the Ring. Jackson has Frodo saying to Sam that "I can't do this!" Given how he is being portrayed, that's the most honest thing that Jackson has filmed to date!

 

[Thorin]

Originally posted by Ol'gaffer
Uhh, but this was in the EE. It was a great little scene in which Sam tells Faramir, captain of Gondor that he has shown his quality, the very best. And Faramir thanks Sam for it.

Then as Sam and Frodo leave, Sam is actually nice to Gollum which I found very sweet..

I know. I was speaking about the theatre version which the majority of people (especially the non-Tolkienites) will see and base their opinions on. It is also the theatre version which will be the spring board for RoTK, not the EE.

Originally posted by Mrs. Maggot
So it is not the Ring or its lure that motivates Faramir, but the desire to get into the good graces of his very unpleasant (and certainly nothing like I would have imagined physically or otherwise) father Denethor.

Thus Jackson's revelation that he changed Faramir in an attempt to display the power of the Ring is, guess what? Wrong!!

Hmmm. Good point Maggot. The ring of 'power' is a secondary reason, isn't it?

Originally posted by Mrs. Maggot
Jackson has Frodo saying to Sam that "I can't do this!" Given how he is being portrayed, that's the most honest thing that Jackson has filmed to date!

That's hilarious! Another example of PJ putting hmself in the movies perhaps?

 

[Mrs. Maggott]

Oh, good Dwarf, see also in the EE that Faramir is not only a bully boy but a poor, neglected, sad-eyed figure who stands about looking downright abandoned as his father spits vituperitive comments at him.

Also, in the EE, Eowyn is a weepy, sad-eyed waif, more apt to cry than fight! I was concerned that she might be more "manly" than Jackson's Aragorn (not very hard, after all!), but when Grima mouths Gandalf's words at her and runs his hand along her face, she not only doesn't spit in his face, but she just stands, teary eyed and permits him to touch her, only at the last moment drawing back and hissing that his words are "poison". The Eowyn of the book would never have permitted him to touch her, never mind talk about her being in a cage. Had he done so, he would have spent the better part of the rest of the night looking for his offending hand!

 

[joxy]

Originally posted by NetherDemon
<1>....perhaps the next movie will start off with Saruman's demise. We can only wait and see!
<2>....Did Sam go off too? He wore the ring too in RTOK...
<3>....watch the movies....It's really good stuff if you can....accept what your seeing! That's all I ask!
<4>....I am trying to do is get you purists to watch the damm movie....
<5>....is there ANYTHING that impresses you in the movies?

<1> The confrontation with Saruman and his downfall were filmed and were to have been the opening of ROTK. A TTT EE extra, issued just a month before ROTK is released tells us that. At the same time as the TTT EE was being released Christopher Lee was told he was not going to be in ROTK at all, and is, naturally, very upset about it. Try to sift some facts out of that!
<2> Yes, he did, but much later.
<3> and <4> We do our best to watch them for their own sake - and we don't like all that we see. It's not ALL good stuff; we DO accept what we see - and we know it could and should have been better. That's all we can answer!
<5> There's a great deal that impresses us in them, and we regularly specify the details.

 

[spelling master]

Originally posted by Mrs. Maggott
Also, in the EE, Eowyn is a weepy, sad-eyed waif, more apt to cry than fight! I was concerned that she might be more "manly" than Jackson's Aragorn (not very hard, after all!), but when Grima mouths Gandalf's words at her and runs his hand along her face, she not only doesn't spit in his face, but she just stands, teary eyed and permits him to touch her, only at the last moment drawing back and hissing that his words are "poison". The Eowyn of the book would never have permitted him to touch her, never mind talk about her being in a cage. Had he done so, he would have spent the better part of the rest of the night looking for his offending hand!

well, actually that was in the theatrical release too, but yay for grima slimeball haha