The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power – Teaser Trailer

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Robin Hood Aragorn was laughable,

Rankin-Bass version:

 

[Annatar]

Which Elrond do you think is more tolkienish?
(I have unfortunately searched in vain for the Russian Khraniteli-Elrond.)

vs.

 

[Halasían]

Haters gotta hate. 🤣

I have to admit it is quite entertaining to bop the ant-nest and watch all the 'WOKE criers' get all agitated.

 

[m4r35n357]

Haters gotta hate. 🤣

I have to admit it is quite entertaining to bop the ant-nest and watch all the 'WOKE criers' get all agitated.

Hey, you dropped the "haters" bomb - you won!!!

Hey, you dropped the "woke" bomb - you won again!!!

Keep up the quality analysis.

 

[ZehnWaters]

Rankin-Bass version:
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I seriously made this joke when I saw it on TV. Pantsless, Native American Aragorn.

 

[Halasían]

Hey, you won!!!

🤣

For some actual quality analysis...

Edit: it appears this place has become a haven for a certain cult of beliefs, so I'm out. Enjoy your echo chamber.

 

[m4r35n357]

🤣

Classy, laughing at your own "joke"!

And I can tell the thing is a turkey without consulting "Corey's World", thanks.

 

[Ealdwyn]

For some actual quality analysis...

This so-called "expert" lost credibility in the first two minutes when he talked about the Elves returning from Valinor at the end of the FA to defeat Morgoth and cast him into the outer darkness. I didn't bother watching any more of it.

 

[Annatar]

In this video, a female(?) dwarf explains why this so-called "Tolkien Professor" is wrong:

 

[m4r35n357]

In this video, a female(?) dwarf explains why this so-called "Tolkien Professor" is wrong:

The "dwarf" says that Amazon only have The Hobbit & LotR (including Appendices) to play with.

Annatar does not appear in the LotR index, but apparently is in the series. The index shows many alternative names for Sauron, but not Annatar.

Celebrimbor has a few mentions, but not his role as Sauron's flag, so they can't have that either

Hard to see how they can do the 2nd age without access to Akallabeth, and Of the Rings of Power.

Does anyone really know what Amazon have been allowed to use?

 

[Ealdwyn]

The "dwarf" says that Amazon only have The Hobbit & LotR (including Appendices) to play with.

Annatar does not appear in the LotR index, but apparently is in the series. The index shows many alternative names for Sauron, but not Annatar.

Celebrimbor has a few mentions, but not his role as Sauron's flag, so they can't have that either

Hard to see how they can do the 2nd age without access to Akallabeth, and Of the Rings of Power.

Does anyone really know what Amazon have been allowed to use?

My understanding is that they only have the LotR appendices

 

[m4r35n357]

My understanding is that they only have the LotR appendices

But they published a map containing Numenor, which is only in Unfinished Tales.

[EDIT] added link

 

[Annatar]

Hard to see how they can do the 2nd age without access to Akallabeth, and Of the Rings of Power.

I'm sure that either the meteor-man, the dwarf-princess or the wood-elf will find a solution...

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

It would be odd if they couldn't say Annatar.

"He's just this guy, you know".

Hey, maybe they can call him Zaphod! 😃

 

[Annatar]

They have again confirmed that they have no rights to the Silmarillion. Very strange.
In the LotR appendices, there are only about five pages on the Second Age, plus the timeline.
You really have to ask what that's all about.
Why don't they film the parts from the appendices that are described in more detail, such as the fight against the witch-king of Angmar?

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

Here's an article I found on what rights they have.

So what did Amazon buy? “We have the rights solely to The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, The Return of the King, the appendices, and The Hobbit,” Payne says. “And that is it. We do not have the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-earth, or any of those other books.” That takes a huge chunk of lore off the table and has left Tolkien fans wondering how this duo plans to tell a Second Age story without access to those materials. “There’s a version of everything we need for the Second Age in the books we have the rights to,” McKay says. “As long as we’re painting within those lines and not egregiously contradicting something we don’t have the rights to, there’s a lot of leeway and room to dramatize and tell some of the best stories that [Tolkien] ever came up with.”

“We took all these little clues and thought of them as stars in the sky that we then connected to write the novel that Tolkien never wrote about the Second Age,” Payne says. The duo cites songs like “The Fall of Gil-galad” or “The Song of Eärendil” or Fellowship chapters like “The Council of Elrond” and “The Shadow of the Past” or the “Concerning Hobbits” section of the prologue as sources for significant lore dumps. Beyond the premiere, there aren’t, however, any significant time jumps or, thus far, episode-long journeys to the past. The rights to the First Age material from The Silmarillion are still owned by the Tolkien estate.

“We worked in conjunction with world-renowned Tolkien scholars and the Tolkien estate to make sure that the ways we connected the dots were Tolkienian and gelled with the experts’ and the estate’s understanding of the material,” Payne says.

The bold part are the parts that concern me the most from that quote...

 

[Annatar]

It sounds like they're partially creating a fanfiction-like parallel world to circumvent the rights issue.

 

[m4r35n357]

Wow, so the slim pickings are even slimmer. Unless they have reneged on the deal, which I suppose can be resolved with an additional payment to the Tolkien Estate . . . or a lawsuit?

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

Yup, I really will just watch it as a separate fantasy series from the books or anything. If it's trash then I'll turn it off.

 

[Aldarion]

This so-called "expert" lost credibility in the first two minutes when he talked about the Elves returning from Valinor at the end of the FA to defeat Morgoth and cast him into the outer darkness. I didn't bother watching any more of it.

Technically, majority of the Valar army at the battle were elves, if memory serves me. But main battle strength would have been Valar themselves (even though IIRC only Tulkas was present) and Maiar.

Here's an article I found on what rights they have.



The bold part are the parts that concern me the most from that quote...

That is precisely why I believe it will be a failure. Not only do they not have enough source material, but they are so arrogant and full of themselves that they believe it will not cause trouble.