Do 🧙wizards have sex?

[Pseudoscience-is-Immoral]

Not necessarily with each other, but sex in general. Are they asexual? Or do they, like 99.9% of Jedi knights, have the desire, but abstain because their sacred order demands it?

 

[HALETH✒🗡]

Have you read the rules of the forum?
Tolkien probably didn't even think about it.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Well, I don't believe this question amounts to "sexual content", in the usual connotation of the term.

That said, I know of no evidence for sexual activities among the Istari. For one thing, they "appeared in the form of old men" from the very beginning. For another, they were sent to Middle-earth as "messengers", aggeloi, in other words, "angels". I doubt their mission, laid upon them by the Valar, included having sex with anyone.

But I second Haleth in recommending a thorough examination of the Rules thread -- by everyone. 🙂

 

[Ealdwyn]

I'm sure the issue has been explored extensively in fanfic. AO3 might be the place to go.

And don't forget Rule 34

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

I'm sure the issue has been explored extensively in fanfic.

That's a rabbithole I don't personally want to dive down. 😳

I will point out that there are certainly sexual activities in the Silmarillion-- not all of them pleasant -- but it does show that Tolkien thought about the subject. In fact, he informed Clyde Kilby -- much to his surprise-- that he'd "written a couple of sex stories".

But he didn't show them to him. 😅

 

[LadyGaladriel1980]

Not necessarily with each other, but sex in general. Are they asexual? Or do they, like 99.9% of Jedi knights, have the desire, but abstain because their sacred order demands it?

What i really love on Tolkiens book is not only, that he describes nature and characteres so good, i also love, that there is no sex scene on his books. If i read about a wizard in a fantasy book, i dont want to know, if he has sex or not, i want to know, what character he had....is he good and brave like Gandalf or weak and getting evil like Saruman.

In my childhood there was good series like "Little house on the prairie" and "Highway to heaven" and "Robin of Sherwood". In this series the people had never sex, but that doesnt matter, because it was good series.
But times have changed since the 1980s.....today it is even in the afternoon very difficult to find series, in which people dont have sex. Im am really bored by sex scenes, because i think, that is a privat thing, and i dont want to watch other people doing their sex. I cant understand, why people want to see in a serie or movie naked people making sex.....for me that is something, that belongs in private, not in TV or cinema.
But today they show in every movie, serie and often in books, sexual scenes, which are not really necessary for the story.
I never think of Gandalfs or Sarumans Sexuality, because i dont care about it, Sexuality is a natural thing, but in our days people speak to much about it, show it to much, and think to much about it...a totally sexualized society...really horrible.

 

[Ealdwyn]

I will point out that there are certainly sexual activities in the Silmarillion-- not all of them pleasant -- but it does show that Tolkien thought about the subject.

Well NoME certainly demonstrates that he thought about Elf reproduction in great detail.

In fact, he informed Clyde Kilby -- much to his surprise-- that he'd "written a couple of sex stories".

I really, really hope those never come to light.

 

[Annatar]

I really, really hope those never come to light.

There are a few rumors that they had been found and were leaked to GRR Martin. In fact, it's said to have even been the basis for "A Song of Ice and Fire".









No, I'm just kidding.

 

[Halasían]

Do Wizards have sex?

Well, it is believed that Alatar and Pallando are pretty close....​

 

[Pseudoscience-is-Immoral]

What i really love on Tolkiens book is not only, that he describes nature and characteres so good, i also love, that there is no sex scene on his books. If i read about a wizard in a fantasy book, i dont want to know, if he has sex or not, i want to know, what character he had....is he good and brave like Gandalf or weak and getting evil like Saruman.

In my childhood there was good series like "Little house on the prairie" and "Highway to heaven" and "Robin of Sherwood". In this series the people had never sex, but that doesnt matter, because it was good series.
But times have changed since the 1980s.....today it is even in the afternoon very difficult to find series, in which people dont have sex. Im am really bored by sex scenes, because i think, that is a privat thing, and i dont want to watch other people doing their sex. I cant understand, why people want to see in a serie or movie naked people making sex.....for me that is something, that belongs in private, not in TV or cinema.
But today they show in every movie, serie and often in books, sexual scenes, which are not really necessary for the story.
I never think of Gandalfs or Sarumans Sexuality, because i dont care about it, Sexuality is a natural thing, but in our days people speak to much about it, show it to much, and think to much about it...a totally sexualized society...really horrible.

Fearing sex like you do is very unhealthy.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Let's avoid personal accusations.

 

[LadyGaladriel1980]

Fearing sex like you do is very unhealthy.

I dont fearing Sex, i enjoy it, but i think, Sex belongs in private and not everywhere in series, books, movies....our society is totally sexualized.
I dont want to see Tolkiens elves naked, with a from the sex sweaty skin. For me elves are ethereal, and it is not necessary to show them while they having sex. It is boring to see in all series and movies naked people having sex. That is not important for the story, so there is no reason to show this boring sex scenes everywhere. I love to have Sex, but i dont want to see people having Sex in every Serie and movie, i think it is not normal, when people want to watch when other people make Sex. Why people want to see this in movies and series? For me it makes no sense to watch other people having Sex, actors who are playing sex. Older movies and series didnt show that, they was very much better than movies and series of today.
Peter Jacksons movies are without Sex, and he shows very good how much Arwen and Aragorn love each other. It dont need sex to show how much two characters love eacht other.

 

[Ealdwyn]

There's a general rule for creative writing that you should aim never to write anything that doesn't either move the plot forward or develop character - and I think this is equally appropriate to a visual medium as well as the written word. So if any scene (including a sex scene) isn't doing that, then it should be omitted.

I should clarify that I'm not saying it's wrong to write sex. But if it's not necessary to plot or character, then it's just there for titillation.

 

[LadyGaladriel1980]

I should clarify that I'm not saying it's wrong to write sex. But if it's not necessary to plot or character, then it's just there for titillation.

Sex is something private, and we know, that elves, dwarfes and other people in Middle earth do in private.
But that is not interesting, i prefer to see Celeborn and Galadriel in their white and grey dresses, looking very etheral. I really dont want to imagine them having Sex, naked with sweated skin. That dont fit to elves, i think, Sex is their private thing and dont belong into movies or series.
They have a daugher, so we know, they have Sex, but that is not important for the story. That is their private life, nothing else.

 

[Melkor]

Sex is something private, and we know, that elves, dwarfes and other people in Middle earth do in private.
But that is not interesting, i prefer to see Celeborn and Galadriel in their white and grey dresses, looking very etheral. I really dont want to imagine them having Sex, naked with sweated skin. That dont fit to elves, i think, Sex is their private thing and dont belong into movies or series.
They have a daugher, so we know, they have Sex, but that is not important for the story. That is their private life, nothing else.

Elven sex even cannot be portrayed as human sex. Elves give it far grate value than humans due.

http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Elven_life_cycle

Not necessarily with each other, but sex in general. Are they asexual? Or do they, like 99.9% of Jedi knights, have the desire, but abstain because their sacred order demands it?

You can't think about wizards as humans. They are practically gods, their mentality is very different and they even don't need physical form, so...

 

[grendel]

You can't think about wizards as humans. They are practically gods, their mentality is very different and they even don't need physical form, so...

Not sure I would go down that path; pretty much every Greek myth started with Zeus being unable to keep it in his pants, so....

 

[Pseudoscience-is-Immoral]

I dont fearing Sex, i enjoy it, but i think, Sex belongs in private and not everywhere in series, books, movies....our society is totally sexualized.

Shortly before her death Joan Crawford said almost that exact same thing.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

 

[Annatar]

Elven sex even cannot be portrayed as human sex. Elves give it far grate value than humans due.

They should, since they will be pregnant for 9 years.

 

[Melkor]

Not sure I would go down that path; pretty much every Greek myth started with Zeus being unable to keep it in his pants, so....

Not all gods are like the Greek gods...