Are 🧝Legolas from 'The Fall of Gondolin' and 'the' Legolas the same?

[Áramandë Amaniel]

This was my immediate thought also-- it is totally "OH MY ERU!"

Why wouldn't it be? What else amongst the Stars of Time (see what I did there?) could it possibly connote?

Here's something interesting: if you look up at the stars. you're actually looking back in time. It's a concept called "lookback time".

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

Why wouldn't it be? What else amongst the Stars of Time (see what I did there?) could it possibly connote?

Here's something interesting: if you look up at the stars. you're actually looking back in time. It's a concept called "lookback time".

That concept fascinates me, that we're looking at the past.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

That concept fascinates me, that we're looking at the past.

It comes from the distance and speed of light.

 

[Eljorahir]

It comes from the distance and speed of light.

C = speed of light = 186,000 miles/second
Our own Sun is 93,000,000 miles away. So even a star as close as the sun we see as it was 8 minutes in the past.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

C = speed of light = 186,000 miles/second
Our own Sun is 93,000,000 miles away. So even a star as close as the sun we see as it was 8 minutes in the past.

How intriguing Time is indeed! No wonder Námo himself is! Technically, upon the skies we ne'er live in the Present!

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

C = speed of light = 186,000 miles/second
Our own Sun is 93,000,000 miles away. So even a star as close as the sun we see as it was 8 minutes in the past.

Yup, so if the sun goes out (which is highly doubtful), we have 8 minutes to know

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

C = speed of light = 186,000 miles/second
Our own Sun is 93,000,000 miles away. So even a star as close as the sun we see as it was 8 minutes in the past.

Convert that to km:

Speed of light = 3x10^8 m/s
Our own Sun is 1.5x10^8 km away, which corresponds to 1 AU, and thus 8.3 minutes approximately.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

Yup, so if the sun goes out (which is highly doubtful), we have 8 minutes to know

It will, in 4.5 billion years. Varda will (not) be looking forward to that.

 

[Erestor Arcamen]

It will, in 4.5 billion years. Varda will (not) be looking forward to that.

Sorry, I meant anytime soon 😄 . I doubt any of us, even of the Ainur, will be around in 4.5 billion years...

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

How long will it take to see flying Legolas? 🤔

 

[Elthir]

Looking at the sun hurts.

Even if you wait 8 minutes to let it catch up to now!

 

[Eljorahir]

Looking at the sun hurts.

Even if you wait 8 minutes to let it catch up to now!

Retinarin agrees with you.

--Retinarin, Mightiest of the Maiar Ophthalmologists--

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

Convert that to km:

Speed of light = 3x10^8 m/s
Our own Sun is 1.5x10^8 km away, which corresponds to 1 AU, and thus 8.3 minutes approximately.

Finally... something of the Stars.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

Finally... something of the Stars.

Well, hopefully far less of Time and Memory, if that bond be sundered.

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

Well, hopefully far less of Time and Memory, if that bond be sundered.

It seems to be sundered-- the bond between you and Mandos.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

It seems to be sundered-- the bond between you and Mandos.

Back then it was, but no longer...especially now, after his fall, and his being brought back, it shall reform ever the stronger.

 

[Ent]

That concept fascinates me, that we're looking at the past.

Indeed. Even with our own Sun and Moon, we're not looking at where they ARE, but where they WERE.
Now we factor that into all the calculations of our rockets taking off with an intent to land on the moon, or those that travel farther like to look at Mars, etc... and need to understand where they 'will be' when we get there, not where we think they are from a visual perspective, etc.
Ent's brain is boggled.

 

[naretari]

The Legolas in LOTR was born early in the 3rd Age. His birth year is given in the "Tale of Years."

May we have the actual reference? There are about a dozen mentions of Legolas in the "Tale of Years", if you're referring to Peoples of Middle Earth, but I don't remember a birth year of Legolas ever being stated.
What is clear is that this Legolas is an elf of Mirkwood, the son of Thranduil, and bears no connection to Legolas of Gondolin (who in BoLT2 is described as sailing to Tol Eressea at the end of the First Age)

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

I'd be curious of this too. I don't recall a specific date being given.