The Silmarillion Movie: Will it ever be made?

[Ealdwyn]

But taking an individual story out of the context of the overall story might present some problems.

I agree. Beren & Luthien would work best, but even B&L requires a HUGE amount of knowledge of the events of the 1st age, right back to the creation of the Silmarils. It's hard to see how you could present the story in isolation.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Good news!

 

[Ealdwyn]

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Well, he has a specific goal in mind.

 

[Ent]

That't our (book nerd) view as to what PJ did with the content that was the basis for his films.
Hollywood suits don't care squat about any content except one: the content of the kitty, aka box office receipts.
What are those numbers?
LoTR $ 2.98 billion box office gross, budget $ 281 million
TH $ 2.93 billion box office gross, budget $ 655 million

Target audience? Certainly not us. Perhaps the one time anyone was nervous about the "bookies" was at the premiere of "Fellowship" in December 2001. They had already done principal photography for all three films (no idea what portion of the total budget that meant), so a hostile reaction might have put the whole enterprise in jeopardy. Book sales for LoTR spiked in that time 2001-2004, not sure if the effect was as big for TH, it definitely being a children's book. But the core audience was and remains the film-only crowd.

And, like it or not, PJ's stuff is the gold standard for film or TV visuals for Middle-earth (and probably a lot of other stuff, too). Even if he's not involved in any way, the Amazon crowd will be unlikely to try and reinvent Middle-earth from scratch. They might do some borrowing from more recent stuff, like GoT, or ... what's that stuff I keep getting reading suggestions about? ... "Vikings", I think. Having seen neither, others must judge if these seem to have been influenced - or not - by PJ's Middle-earth visuals, or by each other ...

With this I find I am in agreement... sadly OUR desire for fidelity is not their desire at all.
Greed and avarice is what drives most of mankind, and the one objective of the production of a movie (of this and most kinds) is maximization of the targeted audience to maximize the puffing of the pocketbook.

 

[Uminya]

I think the Sil (or stories within it) would be done well as an animated series. To be honest I am not really keen on live action "gritty" fantasy like LotR, GoT, etc any more, and it would be nice to see Tolkien's work to get well planned animations since there's a much bigger audience for serious animation now than there was in Ralph Bakshi's day.

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

Well, he has a specific goal in mind.
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Is this real? I must question...

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Question reality.

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

Question reality.

Wow. That is a shocker honestly. Also.. What? Feanor did SO MUCH wrong!

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

I hope no one ever tries to make film versions of these tales. They would almost certainly turn the earliest stories into something silly looking. Consider every movie that has ever been made with gods and goddesses as main characters. They all look ridiculous.

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What is this from? I have no clue

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

Well, he has a specific goal in mind.
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At least this part MUST be fake. It is from October 2018.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

Feanor did SO MUCH wrong!​

Did he have a choice? He lost Míriel...he lost Finwë....he lost his sons., all seven save for one..and in the end, he lost his Silmarils...and e'ermore shall he be bound 'til the End of Arda in the Halls of Mandos.

Forgive me, Elentári, but I shall go against thee upon this, for the first of times, 'til you change my mind, for I would say he had little choice. And thus, I pity him, for truly, how could he have done anything different when his Paths were tainted by Sorrow and Grief from the very beginning? Would he have known what was right for himself, when he had none other to depend on?​

At least this part MUST be fake. It is from October 2018.

It's probably all fake then-

 

[Radaghast]

He had not choice in initiating the Kinslaying?

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

He did lose Miriel, and Finwe, and for that he must be pitied, yet pity does not rule out any cause for judgement, and in the oath that he had taken, much fell to Darkness. See this not therefore as a cruel and heartless action of his, for I feel it originated from passion and drive, and yet I feel indeed it is a sad fate that came to pass. Indeed, he did much wrong, and yet it was much of things beyond his touch and control that led him down such paths. Judge him not cruelly then, I say! Condemn him in his wrongful deeds, not! Yet do not follow in his ways, for they have been fallen, and indeed, he had fallen much, from pride, and from a self-seeking within his own being.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

He had not choice in initiating the Kinslaying?

Ah...this...I have no say upon this...

Judge him not cruelly then, I say! Condemn him in his wrongful deeds, not!

'Tis not in my ways to condemn him as such, for though I have the Gift of Time, judgement is not my portion, but rather the portion of that which hath been sundered from me.

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

'Tis not in my ways to condemn him as such, for though I have the Gift of Time, judgement is not my portion, but rather the portion of that which hath been sundered from me.

Indeed. It is so.

 

[Ealdwyn]

Did he have a choice? He lost Míriel...he lost Finwë....he lost his sons.,
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He lost Miriel, yes.
Finwe's death was a consequence of Feanor believing Morgoth's lies that Fingolfin was trying to usurp him, causing both Feanor and Finwe to be exiled from Valinor, and then refusing to give the SIlmarils to the Valar. Feanor's sons were lost as a result of his possessiveness for the Silmarils and his choice to swear an oath and pursue Morgoth to Beleriand. Apart from the loss of Miriel, it was all entirely Feanor's choice.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

He lost Miriel, yes.
Finwe's death was a consequence of Feanor believing Morgoth's lies that Fingolfin was trying to usurp him, causing both Feanor and Finwe to be exiled from Valinor, and then refusing to give the SIlmarils to the Valar. Feanor's sons were lost as a result of his possessiveness for the Silmarils and his choice to swear an oath and pursue Morgoth to Beleriand. Apart from the loss of Miriel, it was all entirely Feanor's choice.

Choice you may call it, yet all was laid upon the threads of Fate woven beforehand.

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

Choice you may call it, yet all was laid upon the threads of Fate woven beforehand.

The Music of Ainulindale?

 

[Ealdwyn]

Choice you may call it, yet all was laid upon the threads of Fate woven beforehand.

But if you believe that it's all down to Fate then you're saying there's no free will. If there's no free will then nobody can be condemned for doing anything wrong because they could not have done anything else. By the same argument neither Morgoth or Sauron did anything wrong.