Are there other confirmed 🧙Maiar survivors of the ⚔️War of Wrath?

[BalrogRingDestroyer]

It's clear that those two somehow survived it, but could there be others, like perhaps the Watcher in the Water or the Nameless creatures way under Moria?

 

[d4rk3lf]

Well, I never consider Shelob to be a Maia.
Descendant from Maia - yes, but not Maia... same as Luthien.
Same goes for Watcher in the Water and Nameless creatures, I never thought of them as Maia's... I thought always, they are more like prehistoric beasts. Strong and powerful - yes, but not of angelic origin.

As for initial question, and how much of Morgoth's Maia's survived the War of Wrath, we don't know.
Possibly that more Maia's, then just that one Balrog survived, and maybe they also hid somewhere, and were not anymore interested in war's and politics of M.E.... they retired, one could say.

 

[Ent]

Descendant from Maia - yes, but not Maia

How do we arrive at Shelob being descended from a Maia?

 

[ZehnWaters]

Same goes for Watcher in the Water and Nameless creatures, I never thought of them as Maia's... I thought always, they are more like prehistoric beasts. Strong and powerful - yes, but not of angelic origin.

Could they, perhaps, be cast-off creations of Morgoth? One's that were rejected, perhaps?

Possibly that more Maia's, then just that one Balrog survived, and maybe they also hid somewhere, and were not anymore interested in war's and politics of M.E.... they retired, one could say.

I believe Tolkien said one or two survived. So there may be more than one Balrog left. If any else survived they do not show up. It's possible Orc-form Maiar survived, or other, lesser, Maia.

How do we arrive at Shelob being descended from a Maia?

The theory is that Ungoliant is a Maia since we lack another explanation for what she is and how she got her power.

 

[Ent]

The theory is that Ungoliant is a Maia

i suspected this was the issue. Thanks.

 

[d4rk3lf]

How do we arrive at Shelob being descended from a Maia?

Ahh sorry, I should have explained that.
It was just my assumption that she is Maia, it's true that Tolkien never explicitly said she was.
Leading me to believe that she was Maia, is because in Silmarillion it was mentioned that she once served him, and from what I understand, his first servants were only Maia's.
I also believe Tom Bombandil is a Maia.

Could they, perhaps, be cast-off creations of Morgoth? One's that were rejected, perhaps?

Yeah.. maybe..
I always thought of them as dinosaurs or prehistoric beasts.
Maybe some of them were corrupted, then rejected, and maybe some of them were not interesting to Morgoth in the first place, so they kept their initial nature.

 

[Ent]

Silmarillion it was mentioned that she once served him,

Yes, but it says she served him not as a slave like the others, but of her own will to gain what she wanted to get. He could not control or dominate her as he could everything else.
I've very different views of what Ungoliant is and represents... but won't deal with it here.
I'm going to pust a study to 'Red Book' at some point... the way things are going, maybe fairly soon. Then folks can rip me apart there, in the 'discussion thread'.

 

[d4rk3lf]

I've very different views of what Ungoliant is and represents... but won't deal with it here.

Yeah, I've heard of theory that she represents Void (or Tom represents force of nature)
Well... maybe... I am not strictly against the idea (I'd add that Tom also represent force of positive madness ).
But as you said, this is not the best thread to speak about it.

Yes, but it says she served him not as a slave like the others, but of her own will to gain what she wanted to get.

Well, Ose kind of served him in similar way, is it not?