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Was the Council of 🧝Elrond a Farce?

I quite enjoyed this Council of Elrond discussion of 24 years ago. I think Gothmog missed the point in his OP despite being correct that a history lesson was given by Elrond and Gandalf.

I tend to see the CoE as one of the most important Chapters in the LotR for several reasons:

1) On his attempt to write a successor for "The Hobbit" this was as far as JRRT would get before reaching some sort of dead-end which was sometime in 1938 methinks. Until then it was a "Hobbit-story" - even Strider, who's name was "Trotter" by that time, was a hobbit, though oddly for a hobbit he was wearing shoes - but Tolkien didn't seem quite satisfied with it. So he did what he used to do on such occasions: He started to turn the story over and ended up rewriting almost everything. By 1939 he no longer wanted a successor for "The Hobbit" but rather a successor of the book that turned out to be the "Silmarillion" much later.

2) The various participants of the CoE got to know the current status-quo on either side, it became clear that the ring had to be destroyed, sending it to the West was no longer a serious option and the participants realized that there was an urgent need to join their forces if their attempt to overthrow Sauron should have some slight chance of success.

3) Last and most important: The reader is provided with all the necessary background information s/he is missing so far - historical information which hadn't been necessary in the story for a successor of The Hobbit - and without which a deeper understanding of the - now new - story would not be possible, and Tolkien could give that without having to make even more changes to the story so far....

A totally agree with this! I was so intrigued with the Council of Elrond chapter when I first read the books, and I found other bits of knowledge from every subsequent reading!
 
I quite enjoyed this Council of Elrond discussion of 24 years ago. I think Gothmog missed the point in his OP despite being correct that a history lesson was given by Elrond and Gandalf.



A totally agree with this! I was so intrigued with the Council of Elrond chapter when I first read the books, and I found other bits of knowledge from every subsequent reading!
Yes - I agree very much with their third point, and the others are also valid. The two chapters of LOTR that give us the most background are the second chapter of Book 1 (The Shadow of the Past) and the second chapter of Book 2 (The Council of Elrond). In both cases we get a warm-up and meet some characters the chapter before - then a firehose of backstory information.
 

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