baragund
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What do you suppose life, as a member of the Vanyar would be like?
To me, this is like trying to answer the question of what happens in the story after you say “…and they lived happily ever after”. They made the big migration to Valinor, lived on the plains of Valinor and on the lower slopes of Taniquetil, and spent their days in bliss singing praises to Manwe and Varda. Other than their involvement in the War of Wrath (which was extensive), we don’t hear about them too much.
Even though each of the main divisions of the Elves had their own identifying traits, they were still basically the same people. They all awoke at Cuivienen at the same time and they were all the same physiologically. It would seem to me that your basic Vanya would have similar hopes, dreams, fears and aspirations as your basic Noldo or Teleri or Sindo. What I’m getting at is would it be reasonable to think some of the Vanyar might become restless or even resentful over the ages? Would it be unreasonable to think that the Vanyar might have entertained ambitions of their own?
Say you are an average Vanya. Not royalty like an Ingwe or an Indis, but a “Joe Six-Pack” average shlub of a Vanya. What is your typical day like? Do you get up in the morning, weave yourself a crown of fresh flowers, and troop up to Ilmaren to do your daily praise songs to the gods? Might that get a little old after an Age or two or three? Would living in a completely static society, where everyone’s positions seems to be set for as long as Arda exists, be stifling?
And here’s a crazy thought: Could this never-ending adulation of the Valar start to seem exactly like what you were supposed to be delivered from? Wasn’t the reason that you, Joe Six-Pack Vanya, were hauled out of Middle-earth in the first place was so you wouldn’t be put under the heal of Morgoth? And why not allow free travel back and forth between Valinor and Middle-earth after the War of Wrath? Morgoth got kicked out into the Void so what’s the big deal?
Your basic, middle-class Vanya might have such thoughts, don’t you think? Or was there really such perfect harmony in Valinor that the joy of trooping up the slopes of Taniquetil and worshipping Manwe and Varda was just as pure after ten thousand years as it was the very first day?
To me, this is like trying to answer the question of what happens in the story after you say “…and they lived happily ever after”. They made the big migration to Valinor, lived on the plains of Valinor and on the lower slopes of Taniquetil, and spent their days in bliss singing praises to Manwe and Varda. Other than their involvement in the War of Wrath (which was extensive), we don’t hear about them too much.
Even though each of the main divisions of the Elves had their own identifying traits, they were still basically the same people. They all awoke at Cuivienen at the same time and they were all the same physiologically. It would seem to me that your basic Vanya would have similar hopes, dreams, fears and aspirations as your basic Noldo or Teleri or Sindo. What I’m getting at is would it be reasonable to think some of the Vanyar might become restless or even resentful over the ages? Would it be unreasonable to think that the Vanyar might have entertained ambitions of their own?
Say you are an average Vanya. Not royalty like an Ingwe or an Indis, but a “Joe Six-Pack” average shlub of a Vanya. What is your typical day like? Do you get up in the morning, weave yourself a crown of fresh flowers, and troop up to Ilmaren to do your daily praise songs to the gods? Might that get a little old after an Age or two or three? Would living in a completely static society, where everyone’s positions seems to be set for as long as Arda exists, be stifling?
And here’s a crazy thought: Could this never-ending adulation of the Valar start to seem exactly like what you were supposed to be delivered from? Wasn’t the reason that you, Joe Six-Pack Vanya, were hauled out of Middle-earth in the first place was so you wouldn’t be put under the heal of Morgoth? And why not allow free travel back and forth between Valinor and Middle-earth after the War of Wrath? Morgoth got kicked out into the Void so what’s the big deal?
Your basic, middle-class Vanya might have such thoughts, don’t you think? Or was there really such perfect harmony in Valinor that the joy of trooping up the slopes of Taniquetil and worshipping Manwe and Varda was just as pure after ten thousand years as it was the very first day?

