Are 🧝Legolas from 'The Fall of Gondolin' and 'the' Legolas the same?

Áramandë Amaniel · Aug 10, 2022

Elbereth Vala Varda said:
This was my immediate thought also-- it is totally "OH MY ERU!"

Why wouldn't it be? What else amongst the Stars of Time (see what I did there?) could it possibly connote?

Here's something interesting: if you look up at the stars. you're actually looking back in time. It's a concept called "lookback time".

Erestor Arcamen · Aug 10, 2022

Vilisse said:
Why wouldn't it be? What else amongst the Stars of Time (see what I did there?) could it possibly connote?

Here's something interesting: if you look up at the stars. you're actually looking back in time. It's a concept called "lookback time".

That concept fascinates me, that we're looking at the past.

Áramandë Amaniel · Aug 10, 2022

Erestor Arcamen said:
That concept fascinates me, that we're looking at the past.

It comes from the distance and speed of light.

Eljorahir · Aug 10, 2022

Vilisse said:
It comes from the distance and speed of light.

C = speed of light = 186,000 miles/second
Our own Sun is 93,000,000 miles away. So even a star as close as the sun we see as it was 8 minutes in the past.

Áramandë Amaniel · Aug 10, 2022

Eljorahir said:
C = speed of light = 186,000 miles/second
Our own Sun is 93,000,000 miles away. So even a star as close as the sun we see as it was 8 minutes in the past.

How intriguing Time is indeed! No wonder Námo himself is! Technically, upon the skies we ne'er live in the Present!

Erestor Arcamen · Aug 10, 2022

Eljorahir said:
C = speed of light = 186,000 miles/second
Our own Sun is 93,000,000 miles away. So even a star as close as the sun we see as it was 8 minutes in the past.

Yup, so if the sun goes out (which is highly doubtful), we have 8 minutes to know

Áramandë Amaniel · Aug 10, 2022

Eljorahir said:
C = speed of light = 186,000 miles/second
Our own Sun is 93,000,000 miles away. So even a star as close as the sun we see as it was 8 minutes in the past.

Convert that to km:

Speed of light = 3x10^8 m/s
Our own Sun is 1.5x10^8 km away, which corresponds to 1 AU, and thus 8.3 minutes approximately.

Áramandë Amaniel · Aug 10, 2022

Erestor Arcamen said:
Yup, so if the sun goes out (which is highly doubtful), we have 8 minutes to know

It will, in 4.5 billion years. Varda will (not) be looking forward to that.

Erestor Arcamen · Aug 10, 2022

Vilisse said:
It will, in 4.5 billion years. Varda will (not) be looking forward to that.

Sorry, I meant anytime soon 😄 . I doubt any of us, even of the Ainur, will be around in 4.5 billion years...

Squint-eyed Southerner · Aug 10, 2022

How long will it take to see flying Legolas? 🤔

Elthir · Aug 10, 2022

Looking at the sun hurts.

Even if you wait 8 minutes to let it catch up to now!

Eljorahir · Aug 10, 2022

Elthir said:
Looking at the sun hurts.

Even if you wait 8 minutes to let it catch up to now!

Retinarin agrees with you.

--Retinarin, Mightiest of the Maiar Ophthalmologists--

Elbereth Vala Varda · Aug 10, 2022

Vilisse said:
Convert that to km:

Speed of light = 3x10^8 m/s
Our own Sun is 1.5x10^8 km away, which corresponds to 1 AU, and thus 8.3 minutes approximately.

Finally... something of the Stars.

Squint-eyed Southerner · Aug 10, 2022

Áramandë Amaniel · Aug 11, 2022

Elbereth Vala Varda said:
Finally... something of the Stars.

Well, hopefully far less of Time and Memory, if that bond be sundered.

Elbereth Vala Varda · Aug 11, 2022

Vilisse said:
Well, hopefully far less of Time and Memory, if that bond be sundered.

It seems to be sundered-- the bond between you and Mandos.

Áramandë Amaniel · Aug 20, 2022

Elbereth Vala Varda said:
It seems to be sundered-- the bond between you and Mandos.

Back then it was, but no longer...especially now, after his fall, and his being brought back, it shall reform ever the stronger.

Ent · Nov 3, 2022

Erestor Arcamen said:
That concept fascinates me, that we're looking at the past.

Indeed. Even with our own Sun and Moon, we're not looking at where they ARE, but where they WERE.
Now we factor that into all the calculations of our rockets taking off with an intent to land on the moon, or those that travel farther like to look at Mars, etc... and need to understand where they 'will be' when we get there, not where we think they are from a visual perspective, etc.
Ent's brain is boggled.

naretari · Nov 14, 2022

Wastrel said:
The Legolas in LOTR was born early in the 3rd Age. His birth year is given in the "Tale of Years."

May we have the actual reference? There are about a dozen mentions of Legolas in the "Tale of Years", if you're referring to Peoples of Middle Earth, but I don't remember a birth year of Legolas ever being stated.
What is clear is that this Legolas is an elf of Mirkwood, the son of Thranduil, and bears no connection to Legolas of Gondolin (who in BoLT2 is described as sailing to Tol Eressea at the end of the First Age)

Elbereth Vala Varda · Nov 14, 2022

I'd be curious of this too. I don't recall a specific date being given.

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