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GaladrielQueen
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GaladrielQueen
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Greymantle
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psst, gq, this forum is for mature ppl, we can fool around off the computer, silly girl...
sometimes i wish i had a bottle of poison and was able to drink it, since most of my posts seem to be making people not able to understand me, when i want the opposite...
sometimes i wish i had a bottle of poison and was able to drink it, since most of my posts seem to be making people not able to understand me, when i want the opposite...
Gandalf White
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Grond
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I am in total agreement with Gandalf the White. Sauron had invested much of his power in the One Ring and, as such, could not be taken off the plane of Middle Earth until the Ring was destroyed. No other Maia had attempted to create such a Ring of Power and imbue it with so much of themselves.
It is ironic though that Tolkien himself made the following statement in the Foreward to The Fellowhip of the Ring while talking about allegory in his work, "The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. If it had inspired or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring would have been seized and used against Sauron; he would not have been destroyed but occupied. Saruman, failing to get possesion of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth. In that conflict both sides would have held hobbits in hatred and contempt: they would not have survived even as slaves."
He hints here that maybe Saruman(and if Saruman, why not Gandalf?) could, with the right information from archives in the Barad-dur, make his own Ruling Ring. Who woulda' thunk???
It is ironic though that Tolkien himself made the following statement in the Foreward to The Fellowhip of the Ring while talking about allegory in his work, "The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. If it had inspired or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring would have been seized and used against Sauron; he would not have been destroyed but occupied. Saruman, failing to get possesion of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth. In that conflict both sides would have held hobbits in hatred and contempt: they would not have survived even as slaves."
He hints here that maybe Saruman(and if Saruman, why not Gandalf?) could, with the right information from archives in the Barad-dur, make his own Ruling Ring. Who woulda' thunk???
Gothmog
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Gandalf the White, I thank you, you have come up with an answer that covers the problem fully. I feel that your suggestion could well be the difference between Sauron and other Maiar who did not return. I have said in other threads that Sauron could call upon the power that he put into the One Ring even though he did not know where it was.
I see Balrogs as somehow intrinsically connected with fire. The Orcs in LOTR were saying "fire" (in Orcish) when the Balrog (mentally) struggled with Gandalf (as the others were fleeing in the dark after their first battle). There also seems an emphasis on their darkness and shadowy appearance. In fact they seemed to exude shadow. There are two references in the text to "wings", although they are not probably big physical bat wings, but enshrouding wings of darkness that are expanded when Gandalf fights the Balrog on the bridge.
Have you ever looked into a fire and seen dark areas there? They seem doubly dark. In the sun, "cooler" sunspot areas that are about 6000 C seem absolutely black to our eyes. The Balrogs are dark, hot, evil Maiar that have been totally corrupted and darkened by Morgoth. Their body is a shadow of undying evil.
In regard to Glorfindel, remember that the elves are not bound in their vision like humans or hobbits. They see things in both the physical and "spiritual". They are not blind to Frodo when he wears the ring for instance. So the Balrog might be shadow to a human, but quite visible to an elf.
Have you ever looked into a fire and seen dark areas there? They seem doubly dark. In the sun, "cooler" sunspot areas that are about 6000 C seem absolutely black to our eyes. The Balrogs are dark, hot, evil Maiar that have been totally corrupted and darkened by Morgoth. Their body is a shadow of undying evil.
In regard to Glorfindel, remember that the elves are not bound in their vision like humans or hobbits. They see things in both the physical and "spiritual". They are not blind to Frodo when he wears the ring for instance. So the Balrog might be shadow to a human, but quite visible to an elf.
Telchar
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Among the Ainur there where differnt types of Spirits, some stronger than other, and some where spirits of fire.. Of these spirits of fire, only one is mentioned that resists the temptation presented by Melkor. This was Arien, and she later became the Sun Maiden.. The Balrogs where Maiar, but not any kind of Maiar, they where spirits of fire, that's probably why they are connected with fire..
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danskmacabre
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IMO....some Balrogs probably did have wings and some didn't...
I feel they probably were all roughly humaniod in shape and of course would all have some sort of appearance to do with Fire (Being fire spirits)....and looked generally scary.
I really don't believe they all would have wings or all not...
I feel they probably were all roughly humaniod in shape and of course would all have some sort of appearance to do with Fire (Being fire spirits)....and looked generally scary.
I really don't believe they all would have wings or all not...
Greymantle
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then why would they beseated on winged dragons, the kind of the brood of glaurung? They had whips of fire but thats about all i can find about their description , apart from the fact that they were clad in iron armours and claws of steel.
And in the beginning there were supposedly hundreds of balrogs , thus ruling out the fact that they were Valar.....
But in later rewritings prof Tolkien said that there could only be a few of them ,,,,and i quote ; "at most seven"....
when you want to find out what the damn creatures looked like study the text of the fall of gondolin....that was the first time balrogs were slain ever by men or elf...
And in the beginning there were supposedly hundreds of balrogs , thus ruling out the fact that they were Valar.....
But in later rewritings prof Tolkien said that there could only be a few of them ,,,,and i quote ; "at most seven"....
when you want to find out what the damn creatures looked like study the text of the fall of gondolin....that was the first time balrogs were slain ever by men or elf...
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