Do 🧙wizards have sex?

[LadyGaladriel1980]

They should, since they will be pregnant for 9 years.

Elves have an other feel of time....for them tis 9 years was the same time, that 9 months for a human woman.
In my imagination it is like this: A mayfly lives only one day, but for the mayfly this one day feel as long as 80 or 90 years to men.
And for Elves thousands of years feel as long as like 80 or 90 years human beeings.
They had all an different lifetime, but for all their liftime feels the same lenght.

 

[Melkor]

Elves have an other feel of time....for them tis 9 years was the same time, that 9 months for a human woman.
In my imagination it is like this: A mayfly lives only one day, but for the mayfly this one day feel as long as 80 or 90 years to men.
And for Elves thousands of years feel as long as like 80 or 90 years human beeings.
They had all an different lifetime, but for all their liftime feels the same lenght.

1 day for mayfly isn't as 80-90 years for a human. Mayflyes have much longer lifespan (from months to years, depending on species and conditions). They spend most of their lives as nymphs, only their adult life is very short.

I see your point, I just want point fact that mayflies have much longer lifespan than people usually think .

 

[LadyGaladriel1980]

1 day for mayfly isn't as 80-90 years for a human. Mayflyes have much longer lifespan (from months to years, depending on species and conditions). They spend most of their lives as nymphs, only their adult life is very short.

I see your point, I just want point fact that mayflies have much longer lifespan than people usually think .

They really have more than a day? The germanword for Mayfly is "Eintagsfliege"; that means, they live only a day, I didnt know, that some species have more. Thank you for that information, that is very interesting.

 

[Melkor]

They really have more than a day? The germanword for Mayfly is "Eintagsfliege"; that means, they live only a day, I didnt know, that some species have more. Thank you for that information, that is very interesting.

All species live more than one day. They live several months or years in the nymph stage in the water. When they metamorph in to the adult (flying mayflies as you know them), they don't have functional mouth parts in this last stage of their lifes. This is reason, why adults live one day or less. Dragonflyes (mayfly closest relative) live in similar way, but adult dragonflyes have mouth parts, so they live much longer (several weeks).

Mayflyes looks most of the life like this:

And adults look like this:

 

[Pseudoscience-is-Immoral]

Sex is something private, and we know, that elves, dwarfes and other people in Middle earth do in private.
But that is not interesting, i prefer to see Celeborn and Galadriel in their white and grey dresses, looking very etheral. I really dont want to imagine them having Sex, naked with sweated skin. That dont fit to elves, i think, Sex is their private thing and dont belong into movies or series.
They have a daugher, so we know, they have Sex, but that is not important for the story. That is their private life, nothing else.

So... in your judgment, it's okay to have scenes where Bilbo purchases and cooks murdered fish, but not okay to have a scene showing people having sex?

 

[Rōmānus]

Not necessarily with each other, but sex in general. Are they asexual? Or do they, like 99.9% of Jedi knights, have the desire, but abstain because their sacred order demands it?

Sex is possible as seen with the maia Melian (The Silmarillion) with her husband, the Elf lord Thingol. The Wizards are also maiar, but I do not know that they had sex, however, I’m sure that they can. Even in their old man bodies the Wizards can do this. They look old since they are supposed to come in humble forms (LotR, Appendix B, The Third Age) but they are quite virile physically. When Faramir is on the table pyre Gandalf “leaped up on to the faggots, and raising the sick man lightly he sprang down again, and bore him towards the door.” (The Pyre of Denethor) Gandalf not only jumped atop wood that was piled highly he easily lifted Faramir and jumped down with him in his grasp and carried him to the door. When he does this “Gandalf revealed the strength that lay hid in him.” The Valar are seen to have companions, like Manwë and Varda, and they can take shape and enjoy feasts (The Silmarillion, Of the Beginning of Days). So far as their Order is concerned what is spelled out in Appendix B is that they are not to fight Sauron as if he were their problem to deal with, but to get the people to do so, nor to dominate the Children of Eru.

 

[Annatar]

My guess is that Tolkien didn't actually worry about the sexuality of the 5 Wizards because it ends up being irrelevant.

But I think the following options are possible:

a) Since Tolkien was a Catholic and the Wizards were supposed to be something like saints on a Christian mission (but in the end only 1-3.5 of them really succeeded), they probably suppressed their sexuality because of the higher goal. And this could also apply to those who strayed from their good path, i.e. Saruman, etc., but they may still have suppressed their sexuality out of pure lust for power. But maybe not. Possibly Saruman had playmates from Dunland in the end? Rather unlikely, because they were too primitive and unshaven? But the Blue Wizards - who knows what they were doing in the East? There are also contradictory statements from Tolkien, whether they remained faithful to their mission or went crazy analogous to Saruman. If I remember correctly, Tolkien once speculated that the Blue Wizards established their own magical cults. Perhaps part of it was sexual rituals? Later, however, Tolkien said that Sauron might have had more success without their good work in the East.

b) Their bodies were already from the beginning too old for sexual activities, i.e. they were actually impotent, and even if they might have found women attractive, it would not have worked "technically" any more. Their physical superpowers, which did not correspond to their age, were only possible for such purposes, which were intended by the Valar for their mission. (It should also be remembered that when Gandalf returned as Gandalf the White, he had even more special powers than Gandalf the Grey.)

c) Despite their embodiment in a human avatar, they remained in sexual respect so far elevated as Maiar, that from their point of view they felt lower beings like humans or elves as no possible, sexual partners - which would be admittedly contradictory to Melian, but maybe she was an exception.

In any case, I think c) is the most unlikely and a) the most probable.
But as I said, the most likely is that Tolkien never thought about it.


If it were up to me, this is what I would say:

- Gandalf, because he was a hardworking nerd and had only good in mind, suppressed his sexuality. If he had time, had a younger body, and Galadriel had been single, then... who knows. 🤣
- Saruman, too, at first, until he was corrupted by the darkness. But even then, for him sexuality in this incarnation was probably rather a waste of time.
- Radagast was like a typical hermit-monk, who was completely absorbed in his love for nature and probably felt only very little sexual pressure or none at all.
- With the two Blue Wizards, however, there are no limits to the imagination. Maybe they were ascetic, maybe they had strange cults where sex played a role, maybe something else entirely. In any case, there would be plenty of room for fan fiction or possible cinematic adaptations for the Blue Wizards and their exploits in the East. (By the way, why didn't anyone go to Harad? Or was that possibly also implied?)