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🧝Galadriel in the Amazon Series

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I am very unhappy on how Galadriel will be portrayed in the Rings of Power, but I am not here to express just how much I hate it.
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I saw an interesting video, on whether or not the Amazon portrayal is actually accurate, by Tolkien's description of the Lady of Lothlorien and her early days.
What do you all think?
 
"Nor were the 'loremasters' a separate guild of gentle scribes, soon burned by the Orks of Angband upon pyres of books. They were mostly even as Feanor, the greatest, kings, princes and warriors, such as the valiant captains of Gondolin, or Finrod of Nargothrond and Rodothir \[> Arothir\] his kinsman and steward." - Shibboleth of Feanor

In the Shibboleth Galadriel is described as a loremaster as well. In the Book of Lost Tales part 2 Idril fights in the Fall of Gondolin (by using a sword). In Shaping of Middle-earth Christopher says Idril was "the prototype of Galadriel".

Galadriel fighting at Alqualondë: "Galadriel’s quarrel with the sons of Fëanor at sack of Alqualondë. How she fought…" - Nature of Middle-earth

Note that the event of fighting at Alqualonde itself is described as a quarrel by Tolkien: "...Thrice the folk of Feanor were driven back, and many were slain upon either side; but the vanguard of the Noldor were succoured by Fingon with the foremost people of Fingolfin. These coming up found a battle joined and their own kin falling, and they rushed in ere they knew rightly the cause of the quarrel: some deemed indeed that the Teleri had sought to waylay the march of the Noldor, at the bidding of the Valar."

There's a marginal note against this passage in Morgoth's Ring: "$149 Marginal note against the passage describing the involvement of the second host in the fighting: 'Finrod and Galadriel (whose husband was of the Teleri) fought against Feanor in defence of Alqualonde.' "

And in Shibboleth: "she fought fiercely against Feanor in defence of her mother's kin." Note that she wasn't the only female fighter at Alqualondë. Since we are told: "indeed in dire straits or desperate defence the Nissi \[the Elf-women\] fought valiantly" - Laws and Customs

But the difference between Galadriel and other Nissi was that she wasn't only brave, but she was also a leader and Amazon.

"Galadriel, the fairest lady of the house of Finwë and the most valiant." - Morgoth's Ring

"She was called Nerwen ‘man-maiden’ because of her strength and stature, and her courage." - Nature of Middle-earth

"Galadriel the Valiant and Fair" - Morgoth's Ring.

"\[Galadriel\] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats” - Tolkien Letter 348

“\[Éowyn\] was also not really a soldier or ‘amazon’, but like many brave women was capable of great military gallantry at a crisis.” - The Letters of JRR Tolkien, Letter #244

The only women in Tolkien who are described as 'amazon' are Haleth (the warrior Queen/Chieftain of Haladin), the early versions of Eowyn in History of Lord of the Rings (she openly goes to war in those versions as opposed to the final version where she wasn't Amazon), Makar's sister the Valie/Goddess of War (from the Book of Lost Tales) and Galadriel. Tolkien translated the word Amazon into "Gothwin" in Elvish, but the literal translation of Gothwin is "War Woman".

"She looked upon the Dwarves also with the eye of a commander, seeing in them the finest warriors to pit against the Orcs" - Unfinished Tales

Galadriel did fight in some wars against Angband like The Battle of the Lammoth and War of Wrath (implied but not explicitly stated). She was there in the Battle of the Lammoth (as a leader of the Second Host) and therefore fought (all elf women fight in such times of crisis), and according to History of Middle-earth Eonwë summoned all free people and birds and beasts to fight in War of Wrath, only cowards rejected his summons ("but the power and dread of Morgoth was great and many did not obey his summons"). Galadriel wasn't such. The reason Galadriel and Celeborn hadn't fought in previous battles against Angband is not because they weren't good warriors, the reason was... "they did not join in the war against Angband, which they judged to be hopeless under the ban of the Valar and without their aid; and their counsel was... " - Unfinished Tales

Nobody listened to their counsel about forming that alliance, and the Valar didn't send aid until War of Wrath, henceforth Celeborn and Galadriel thought it's useless if they waste their energy in that war as long as there's no hope. But when hope came, there was no reason for them to not join in the war. Even random Elves of Eriador answered the summons to fight when they heard of new come hope.

In the versions of Galadriel where her boyfriend/husband was from Doriath she also gone through some of the events of the Ruin of Beleriand (here it is never said if she had left Doriath before its fall and indeed it is stated she only crossed the mountains into Eriador in the Second Age and indeed it is even stated in a note about Celeborn that he was present in the sack of Doriath), all meaning/implying she was there in the Ruin of Doriath and the Third Kinslaying and such (as is also pointed out by Christopher Tolkien himself). We know female Elves fought in such times of crisis, even if they weren't Amazon.

In Second Age Galadriel was one of the war leaders of Eregion in the War of the Elves and Sauron. In the early versions Galadriel is not present in Eregion during the war (she was in Lorien), and it's her husband and Celebrimbor (and later Elrond) only who lead the armies of Eregion: "The scouts and vanguard of Sauron's host were already approaching when Celeborn made a sortie and drove them back; but though he was able to join his force to that of Elrond...." - Unfinished Tales

But in later essays and notes Galadriel is there right side-by-side with Celeborn: "Celeborn and Galadriel take part in .... [Eregion's] defence against Sauron." “Galadriel and Celeborn, and their followers, who after the destruction of Eregion passed through Moria” “Galadriel and Celeborn only retreated thither [to Lorien] after the downfall of Eregion." “After the Fall of Eregion... They had passed through Moria with considerable following of Noldorin Exiles and dwelt for many years in Lorien”

Above quotes are from Parma Eldalamberon 17 and Nature of Middle-earth.

In Unfinished Tales there's yet another wholly different version of Galadriel during the WotE&S where she apparently retreated from Eregion after its fall and "joined with Gil-Galad in Lindon". I should note that the Battle of Eregion was long, Sauron assaulted Eriador in 1695 and Eregion fell in 1697. Then three years later or so Sauron assaulted Lindon. So going by this other version of Galadriel where she retreated to Lindon, she most likely also fought in the rest of the War of the Elves and Sauron

Tolkien was still revising her First Age story and had not given much thought to finishing Second Age story in last years of his life. If he had finally finished her First Age story and returned to finishing her Second Age story, we would've known where was she in the latter half of the Second Age. We also would've known where was she during the first 1000 years of the Third Age. There's just many gaps in her story.

"...her status and power in Middle-earth on
the other. That it would have entailed a good deal of alteration in the narrative of The Silmarillion is evident but that my father doubtless
intended to do." - Tolkien's son

Also her desiring to avenge her brother is canon. It's stated Finrod was "of all her kin the nearest to her heart" and she "esteemed him and loved him". Finrod gave his life to save Beren against the werewolf that Sauron had sent to eat Beren in dungeons of Sauron.

"She was sister of Finrod Felagund, Friend-of-Men, once king of Nargothrond, who gave his life to save Beren son of Barahir." - Appendix

'Aegnor is gone, Angrod is gone, and Felagund is no more. Of Finarfin's children I am the last. But my heart is still proud. What wrong did the Golden House of Finarfin do that I should ask the pardon of the Valar...' - Galadriel

"Pride still moved her when, at the end of the Elder Days after the final overthrow of Morgoth, she refused the pardon of
the Valar for all who had fought against him, "

"she deemed it her duty to remain in Middle-earth while Sauron was still unconquered" - UT

Adventurous Galadriel is also canon.

"she had dreams of far lands" - Shibboleth

"She loved to wander far from the home of her kin" - NoME

"she yearned to see far untrodden lands" - Annals of Aman

"one of those eager to adventure there" - Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn

In the Second Age she constantly travels around. Every once in a while she has a major travel.

All that said, I absolutely hate Galadriel. Worst Tolkien character ever. She makes absolutely no sense. Hopefully TROP's version of Galadriel makes more sense than Tolkien's. But I doubt it. If Tolkien couldn't do it, then Amazon can't do it either.
 
Now let's hear what Galadriel herself (or from the point of view of some others rather Beruthiel?) has to say about it:


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I am very unhappy on how Galadriel will be portrayed in the Rings of Power, but I am not here to express just how much I hate it.
See the source image


I saw an interesting video, on whether or not the Amazon portrayal is actually accurate, by Tolkien's description of the Lady of Lothlorien and her early days.

I totally agree with you, i am totally angry, that the Amazon-producers abuse Tolkiens Galadriel to create such an horrible warrior-woman-figure.
For me Galadriel is like Tolkien described her: wearing a white dress, beeing peaceful, beeing very wise, beeing very beautiful. Galadriel is not someone who would ride aggressive with a sword into a senseless war.
And there is another misstake of Amazon: On Galadriels Armor you could see the star of her uncle feanor, which Galadriel totally disliked, because she saw in his heart, that he is evil, she would never fight for ihm.
Fighting with a sword in armor, does absolutely not fit to Galadriel. She is not a warrior, she is not a soldier, she is a wise woman.
For me the Amazon Galadriel is a disgusting big shame, somthing, that has nothing to do with Tolkiens Galadriel.
For me Galadriel must look like this:

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That is the true Galadriel, and not this horrible Amazon -woman, that dont deserve the name Galadriel.
I was getting ab big Galadriel-Fan after seeing the first Peter Jackson Movie...and since i have read the book afterwards, i totally love Galadriel.
But i totally hate the Amazon-Warrior-Woman, which dont deserve to wear the beautiful name of Tolkiens elven-queen.

But Amazon-Warrior-woman is not accurate to Tolkiens Galadriel, because she never fighting in a war with an amor and a sword. Elves normall fight with a bow, and not with a sword, and Galadriel has never fight in a amor like a man.
Galadriel is no warrior, she is a peaceful woman.
And Amazon know nothing about elves...even the fact that they only fight with bows, is totally ignored by the woke-trash-producers from Amazon.
 
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Sister, you have no idea of what Tolkien Elves are. You are basing your opinion strictly on LOTR Elves, not HoMe Elves or UT Elves or Silmarillion Elves.

Vanyar used spear to fight, never a bow. Teleri used bow and sometimes spear. Noldor usually used sword, but they also used axe and bow. Sindar used axes more than all other Elves, they used bow and sword as well.
However after the end of the First Age we never hear of Elves using axes ever again. But they still used sword, spear, and bow.

Galadriel was named as Galadriel because of her unique hairstyle during her Amazonian times back in the day when she fought in sports and battles.

The image you shared is absolutely not Galadriel. It's a fanfic Galadriel. Canon Galadriel doesn't wear her hair like that even outside of combat, canon Galadriel's crown is not like that, canon Galadriel is not bony skinny.

"Peace loving" elf that you are talking about was not always very peaceful. She was a rebel, vengeful, and angry, and exceedingly proud and believed they have done nothing wrong.
Now I hate Amazon's vision on LOTR as much as any other next guy, but let's not believe Peter Jackson's fanfiction is canon. Let's keep in mind that when we are discussing Tolkien we should take into account what he wrote, not what his fans made up. that he literally described Galadriel as "of Amazon disposition" and he wrote "she fought fiercely" and "fought heroically" and took part in defence of Teleri and Sindar and Eregion in battles. All Noldor women were trained in martial arts and fought whenever needed, even if they were not "of Amazon disposition" like Galadriel.
 
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Now let's hear what Galadriel herself (or from the point of view of some others rather Beruthiel?) has to say about it:


Edit: Here's a written format:

I like Cat, saw her take live.

I am very unhappy on how Galadriel will be portrayed in the Rings of Power, but I am not here to express just how much I hate it.
See the source image


I saw an interesting video, on whether or not the Amazon portrayal is actually accurate, by Tolkien's description of the Lady of Lothlorien and her early days.
What do you all think?
Tolkien does have much to say on Galadriel, but from the Silmarillion one can glean that she had inclinations to rule herself (Of the Flight of the Noldor). From this and other texts, like Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age, and The Peoples of Middle-earth she has been depicted as one of the mightier Elves of all time. Top three even with her uncle (Fëanor) and cousin (Lúthien), as she is described in The History of Galadriel and Celeborn as possessing “the equal if unlike endowments of Fëanor” (Unfinished Tales). High praise indeed to be so physically/spiritually endowed.

This desire to rule is one thing, her fighting on the front lines or even participating in battles physically is another. I can only recall one mention of Galadriel actually participating in battle and this was in one version of the Flight of the Noldor in which she came to aid of the Teleri. As mighty as she was I do not think this was something she partook of even though she had been likened to the captains of Gondolin.

Besides, we must remember that in the Peter Jackson movies, Arwen was a sword-wielding war-maiden, despite being peaceful and quiet (as far as we know), in the books. This show is not so different, portraying Galadriel as a warrior.
A similar mistake is still a mistake. In the animated film and in the movie they cut my man Glorfindel out and replaced him with either Legolas or Arwen. The shame!

Though Galadriel had such qualities as Glorfindel, or Ecthelion, or her brother Finrod it does not seem this was a quality she exercised much, if at all, in her life. There is one version of events where Galadriel does fight to defend the Teleri before the First Age of the sun. What is seen of her in LotR is that she has Celeborn engage in the fighting (Appendix A: The Third Age).
 
Vanyar used spear to fight, never a bow. Teleri used bow and sometimes spear. Noldor usually used sword, but they also used axe and bow. Sindar used axes more than all other Elves, they used bow and sword as well.
However after the end of the First Age we never hear of Elves using axes ever again. But they still used sword, spear, and bow.
Don't forget clubs and hammers! House of the Hammer of Wrath used hammers and House of the tree used clubs.
All Noldor women were trained in martial arts and fought whenever needed, even if they were not "of Amazon disposition" like Galadriel.
Yeah, I like how Idril put on herself armor and defend her city and her son.
 

"Warrior Galadriel" - Is it canon?​

Here is a neutral-positive interpretation of series-Galadriel.
The videos of "Darth Gandalf" are always very well-founded and I appreciate him very much as a Tolkien expert and YouTuber, even if he, unlike me, is (still) rather positive about the series. (If I hadn't seen Amazon's Wheel of Time and the "superfans", I might also be more optimistic.)

 
Why so much focus on Wheel of Time? They're completely different productions, the only thing they have in common is the studio bankrolling them. It'd be like saying "Oh I saw the Golden Compass and it was trash so I'm not going to bother watching LotR."
 
Why so much focus on Wheel of Time? They're completely different productions, the only thing they have in common is the studio bankrolling them. It'd be like saying "Oh I saw the Golden Compass and it was trash so I'm not going to bother watching LotR."
... don't get me started on the Golden Compass... I wonder why they can never get that right... it's a great story

Going back to Galadriel, I for one, am interested in seeing how she will be portrayed. I agree with

TheManInTheMoon.​

 
I know very little about the other books of Tolkien outside of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. My hopes are not high for the show and from what I have seen in the trailers there are very specific things that are not right from just a realism stand point. Galadriel, I was trying to wrap my head around, it kind of makes her look "youngish" like she is trying to find herself or her place. Not sure if I am reading that right from the trailers, I was just left feeling that way. So as I understand it (and could be completely wrong) This age is about 3,000 years before The Lord of the Rings takes place. From what I read she left for the Grey Havens when she was around 8,000 years old. So would she not already be around 5,000 years old in this Amazon series? Or am I way off here?
 
It is slow going, I find the creation story to be beautiful with the use of music. I have difficulty remembering peoples names in real life, so the Silmarillion has some challenges in that department :p
I always advice people not to worry too much about that... you don't need to track every single character (or God).
Important names you will figure out pretty soon, and other names, after you re-read it several times :)

Silmarillion is one amazing, and very unique book.
Probably my favorite.
 

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