Is the Arkenstone a 💎Silmaril?

[CirdanLinweilin]

I wonder if anyone else has heard this.

I did a bit of digging and learned, to my amazement, that a Silmaril lies within the Arkenstone. So that whole time everyone was holding the darned thing, a legendary artifact of Morgoth's time lay inside.

My question: How in the hell did it go unnoticed, especially by Thranduil and Gandalf! Particularly Gandalf!

(Anyone may feel free to correct me on anything in this post!!)

-CL

 

[Deleted member 12094]

I wonder if anyone else has heard this.

I did a bit of digging and learned, to my amazement, that a Silmaril lies within the Arkenstone. So that whole time everyone was holding the darned thing, a legendary artifact of Morgoth's time lay inside.

My question: How in the hell did it go unnoticed, especially by Thranduil and Gandalf! Particularly Gandalf!

(Anyone may feel free to correct me on anything in this post!!)

-CL

Is it ok for you to ask where/how you found this?

 

[CirdanLinweilin]

I've been keeping tabs on the argument. It actually seems pretty popular.

Although I have been debunked already: This is from Tolkien Gateway 'Misconceptions'

• The Arkenstone was a Silmaril, probably the one thrown into a fiery pit by Maedhros, and found its way (geologically?) to the north, to be rediscovered by the Khazad of Erebor. Tolkien wrote that the two lost Silmarils would remain lost until the end of Arda. However, in a partial translation of early Silmarillion texts into Old English Tolkien used the etymologically related term 'Eorclanstanas' ('holy stones') to translate 'Silmarils' - suggesting that he may have borrowed the name and other concepts from the Silmarils in describing the Arkenstone.
  • A Silmaril is a gemstone hallowed by Varda which would not suffer the touch of mortal or evil hands.[4] It only allowed Beren to handle it, but Beren also lost the hand that held it. Many mortals handled the Arkenstone without a consequence, and they did not all have good intent. It would have burned them and possibly burned Smaug if it were truly a Silmaril. As attractive as this theory is, because it would have made the Arkenstone such a poignant element in The Hobbit, it can only be, at best, Silmaril-like or Silmaril-inspired. The latter being the most likely case. It is not a Silmaril.

Just ignore my post. I feel so stupid now. Ah well, lesson learned.

 

[Yalerd]

Complete speculation. EVEN IF the Arkenstone was some mutation of the Silmaril Maedhros spent, you'd assume it would be in Beleriand or somewhere even remotely West, not in Erebor, over 2.5 major mountain ranges East.

Is TProphecies going to copy and paste this post everywhere?

 

[CirdanLinweilin]

Complete speculation. EVEN IF the Arkenstone was some mutation of the Silmaril Maedhros spent, you'd assume it would be in Beleriand or somewhere even remotely West, not in Erebor, over 2.5 major mountain ranges East.

Is TProphecies going to copy and paste this post everywhere?

I did more research and found this theory flawed, this was an early post of mine, sorry.

Yeah, I'm considering his posts spam at this point...

CL

 

[Yalerd]

Oh, gotcha Cirdan. I've never had so much giddiness over talking M.E. with people I'm responding without checking dates!

 

[CirdanLinweilin]

Oh, gotcha Cirdan. I've never had so much giddiness over talking M.E. with people I'm responding without checking dates!

All's good!

That giddiness is good!

CL

 

[Elthir]

All's good!

That giddiness is good!

CL

True!

I like to see it!

Silliness too...

... at least a sprinkle now and again to offset any serious Balrog wing discussions

 

[Deleted member 12094]

May I write some appreciative things here:

• CirdanLinweilin showed great decency by admitting a small error. True netiquette, great manners! Saw it, liked it, waw!
• Trash from TProphecies was removed from this site. Moderators are working here!

While exploring these great books first time, people who are "beginners" could be sidetracked easily by wild contributions.

This tread actually reminds me of an unrelated forum I was interested in for some time: someone put in some porn and it did not get removed because nobody was caring about monitoring that forum. Moderating an internet forum is an all-out important quality aspect. It's the root value of any internet forum, in my view.

So thumbs up for the moderators here!

 

[BalrogRingDestroyer]

In one of my own fanfiction ideas, I suggested that the Arkenstone was part of one of the busted lamps that predated the Sun and Moon and that the heroes tried to put those lamps back together and defeat Morgoth, who returned in Dagor what's it's face (Middle Earth Armageddon.)

However , on Youtube, I did find this about the Arkenstone and the idea of it being a Simiral:

 

[Spirit of Fire]

I find it unlikely, given that only someone with the right could hold a Silmaril unharmed. Even Morgoth and the sons of Feanor couldn't hold it without pain, so it would be odd that all these seemingly unimportant individuals could handle it willy-nilly.

 

[Ealdwyn]

Ever had that feeling where you read the thread title of the latest posts and have a WAIT. WHAT??? moment? 😂

 

[Spirit of Fire]

Ever had that feeling where you read the thread title of the latest posts and have a WAIT. WHAT??? moment? 😂

Never in this thread.

 

[Miguel]

I think it would have been cool if it was, Nogrod dwarves went nuts about it just like Thorin did but the crazyness that a Silmaril caused over those dwarves was greater than that of the Arken stone. In my mind, a single Silmaril could illuminate great sections of caverns while the Arken stone could not so the sight of Morgoth was even more terrifying to them orcs etc, as if he was wearing a super bright chandelier in his head

 

[Spirit of Fire]

It would be an interesting tie-in to the Silmarillion, just like Smaug. But the gaps with this theory leave no room for suspension of disbelief. The fact that these characters are able to hold the stone without harm seems to dash the hopeful, but ultimately untrue theory.

 

[wsx04321]

I think that it's somewhat of a lesser Silmaril. Because when mortals touch the true Silmarils they burn (Well that's what I believe anyway).

 

[m4r35n357]

I wonder if anyone else has heard this.

I did a bit of digging and learned, to my amazement, that a Silmaril lies within the Arkenstone. So that whole time everyone was holding the darned thing, a legendary artifact of Morgoth's time lay inside.

My question: How in the hell did it go unnoticed, especially by Thranduil and Gandalf! Particularly Gandalf!

(Anyone may feel free to correct me on anything in this post!!)

-CL

No, it is not a silmaril. They shone with the light of the two trees, and were all lost long ago and far away. The Arkenstone is merely a gem.

See: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Misconceptions#The_Arkenstone_was_a_Silmaril

 

[Hisoka Morrow]

Just use some common sense, if it really was, everyone would consider the One Ring as feces. The Valinor light wrapped by the Similari had been proved as the Key that why Noldor armed forces had been all bad ass so lethal that even Balrogs had been being bulleted like a piece of cake by them. In comparison with the One Ring, the Similari was obviously the much worthier target to hunt.

 

[ZehnWaters]

It should also be noted that the dwarves were said to have shaped the Arkenstone, something impossible if it was a Silmaril (only Fëanor could have broken those open, and it wouldn't have needed shaping anyhow).

 

[Olorgando]

Feanor was the Greatest of ALL elves in Arda, although he would spend little time in Middle-Earth before his death.

Galadriel was his match, and immensely wiser even in Aman, never mind later.

Even Aule himself, the Vala of Craft was bewildered by the works of Feanor Son of Finwe.

Citation from published works, please?

In my opinions.... Feanor was not evil at all.

Totally disagree. We have a sort of "dark lord" for all four of the Eruhini (as the Valar and Maiar certainly also are):

Valar - Melkor
Maiar - Sauron
Elves - Fëanor
Men - Túrin

Who's a bit of the "odd man out"?

Sauron, the only one capable of rational thought in some measure. The other three register near zero on any self-control meter.