Lineage of Cirdan?

[redline2200]

Originally posted by Nóm
I don't know why there could not have been kinship among the first to awaken. ?

That is the only possibility.
We know Thingol (or Elwë) was among the original elves that were not born to any other elves. Look at his last words that he said to the dwarves:

The Silmarillion

How do you of uncouth race dare to demand aught of me, Elu Thingol, Lord of Beleriand, whose life began by the waters of Cuivienen years uncounted before ere the fathers of the stunted people awoke?

So if Elwë and Olwë were akin, then there would have to be kinship among the firstborn, based on the fact that Elwë was one of the original elves.

 

[Ithrynluin]

How do you of uncouth race dare to demand aught of me, Elu Thingol, Lord of Beleriand, whose life began by the waters of Cuivienen years uncounted before ere the fathers of the stunted people awoke?

This quote proves nothing, redline2200. It goes both ways. It can either mean that Thingol awoke by Cuivienen, or that he was born there. For some reason I find the latter more likely.

 

[Inderjit S]

based on the fact that Elwë was one of the original elves.

Fact? What facts? We know that all 144 Elves that awoke at Cuivenien were all espoused, whereas Elwe was young, free and single at the time of his meeting with Melian (Unsuprisngly

He also had two brothers, and other relatives, such as Eol and Cirdan.

It is problably as ith. says it was just a reference to his awakening at Cuivienien, not him being among the first to wake there.

Also, looking at the canonical context of your post, it seems dubious, as to whether Tolkien wrote it, since it is a part of the infamous 'Fall of Doriath' chapter, a lot of which was written by C. Tolkien or Guy Kay, since information on that chapter was scarce.

 

[Flame of Anor]

This is what the Encyclopedia of Arda says:

Círdan the Shipwright
The keeper of the Grey Havens


Timeline: See Attached


Dates: Uncertain. Possibly awoke at Cuiviénen, probably sailed into the West with the last ship some time in the Fourth Age
Race: Elves
Division: Teleri
Family: Not known. Possibly of the kin of Olwë.
Titles: The Shipwright
Pronunciation: keer'dan
Meaning: Literally 'ship-wright'


A lord of the Teleri in Middle-earth, Círdan was persuaded to remain in Beleriand with some of his people by Ossë when the other Teleri were taken into the West by Ulmo. Lord of the Falas during much of the First Age, he removed to the Isle of Balar after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. At the end of the First Age, with the destruction of Beleriand, he moved eastwards and founded Mithlond, the Grey Havens, on the Gulf of Lhûn.

He remained in Lindon throughout the Second and Third Ages. Throughout the Second Age, that land was under the direct rule of High King Gil-galad. At the time of the fall of Eregion, Celebrimbor sent two of the Three Rings north to the High King, and Gil-galad in turn passed one of these to Círdan; Narya, the Ring of Fire. At the end of the Second Age, Gil-galad fell in the War of the Last Alliance, leaving Lindon without a ruler. His natural heir would have been Elrond, who had long since removed to Imladris, and so Círdan took on the leadership of the Elves west of the Blue Mountains.

Círdan continued to maintain the havens at Mithlond throughout the Third Age and into the Fourth. When the Wizards arrived in Middle-earth, he perceived that Gandalf was the wisest of them, and gave him the Red Ring to bear in secret. He took an active part in the events of the Third Age, too; it was his mariners, for example, who sought to rescue Arvedui the last King of Arthedain. He was still the master of the Grey Havens at the end of the Age, when he saw the Ring-bearers' White Ship, that he had held in preparation over the long years, pass into the West.

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[Aiwendil2]

That quote from 'Of the Ruin of Doriath', as Inderjit implied, was not written by Tolkien. For Tolkien's writings on the subject of Thingol's death see II (for a clearly discared version) and especially IV and XI.

 

[Beleg]

Even if take that Quote as Canonical Evidence it only proves that Thingol was born before the Dwarves and nothing else.