Saruman or 🧙Gandalf the White

[Maeglin]

Okay you 3, the topic is not Gandalf vs. Sauron, its Gandalf vs. Saruman, and by the way, Gandalf can't beat Sauron, he said so himself.

 

[Thorondor_]

Yes, he said to Legolas: "you won't find anyone more powerful than me, unless you go to Sauron".

 

[spirit]

Seeing as this is Tolkien's World, good will prevail. So Saruman would win! Kidding, my old friend Gandalf would win... Oh back in the say, when I was human, I use to know that old chap. We went that little adventure *continues the story while everyone is *ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz* *

 

[Thorondor_]

Good willl prevail? Take a look at Silmarillion... in best case its a draw lol

 

[spirit]

One of Tolkien's basic ideas is "Good vs. Evil".

...And eventually, good did overcome evil. The Ring was destroyed, Sauron, destroyed...

Besides, it's not a perfect world. Plenty of sacrificed needed to be made for the "Greater Good".

 

[Thorondor_]

Now, you wouldn.t say that evil was eliminated for good in LotR.., or anywhere else. Morgoth is still waiting for another shot at Arda, and the fact that the One Ring was destroyed, I would rather interprete that its power returned to the earth, and that power can be summoned again. And knowing that no Istari was allowed to use that power... I bet a second Sauron would

 

[ingolmo]

It depends. Take Gandalf the White and Saruman the White at the height of his power, Saruman would win; after all Saruman was the leader of the Istari. But then if you compare Gandalf the White and Saruman of Many Colors, Gandalf would win. It all depends...

 

[Thorondor_]

I think the demise of Saruman actually started before he became of Many Colors, that is, when he became corrupt. Besides, his main power was his voice, (that's stated several times); do you think he could sweet talk a balrog?

 

[Ingwë]

Gandalf the White broke Saruman's staff in Isegarn after the battle at Helpm's deep. Gandalf is a powerful Maia and don't forget: Galadriel wanted Olirin to be the leader of the White Council! And I also think that Gandalf the White is more powerful than Gandalf the Grey.

 

[Thorondor_]

Yes, he stated that he was second only to Sauron.

 

[ingolmo]

Then how did Sauron come to become more powerful than Gandalf, after all, both are Maiar.

 

[Thorondor_]

Well, it is stated that the Istari lose alot of their power and knowledge when coming to M-E. And for Sauron, he actually kept on gathering power and at one time, he became to inherit all of Melkor's work. And I think that the sacrifices to Melkor do participate in the increase of the power of the shadow. So there are multiple causes for Sauron having greater power than Gandalf.

 

[Arthur_Vandelay]

Okay you 3, the topic is not Gandalf vs. Sauron, its Gandalf vs. Saruman, and by the way, Gandalf can't beat Sauron, he said so himself.

While the topic may not be Gandalf vs. Sauron, this is pretty much how it panned out in the book.

As a fellow Wizard, Gandalf mourned the loss of Saruman "to the dark side," as it were--a major casualty in the war against Sauron. Gandalf the White may be able to beat Saruman on any given day, and in the book Saruman certainly lost to Gandalf--but in a way, Gandalf lost, too.

 

[Ingwë]

...but in a way, Gandalf lost, too.

Yes, but it was Gandalf the Grey who lost, not Gandalf the White.