Secret Fire: Sil vs. FOTR

[GuardianRanger]

As I plug further along through the Sil, I come to think that ssgrif is correct. But, maybe it's just coincidence that the ring that Gandalf is wearing is Narya.

....back to the Sil.

 

[ssgrif]

It doesnt seem right to me that Gandalf, probably the wisest of all who ever walked through ME, Would have told his foe, of the same race and power, that he was weilding the ring Narya.

It would be like Frodo going up to the Black gate, knocking on the door, and asking for safe passage as he has the One ring on him, and needs to get to Mount Doom!

Or, "Hey Durins Bane, try and hit me if you can, I've got the ring Narya on me so I'll be safe".

Dont you think the Balrog would have tried something else, instead of trying to kill him with his sword, or slash him with his whip?

 

[Confusticated]

So what do you think "wielder of the flame of Anor" was refering to if not Narya?

 

[ssgrif]

I was talking about the Secret Fire, as this thread refers to, but My idea on the comment of Gandalf being the wielder of the flame of Anor is probably him stating that he is a servant of the Valar, and wielder of the power of the West.

Maybe its a reference to the powers of the West coming from the two trees in Valinor. The trees of the Moon and Sun.

 

[Arvedui]

IMO, ssgrif hits bulls-eye. Servant of the Secret Fire = Servant of Ilúvatar. The way I read it is Gandalf stating clearly that he's powers are given from Ilúvatar himself.

Well, just my interpretation.

 

[Confusticated]

Originally posted by ssgrif
I was talking about the Secret Fire, as this thread refers to...

Originally posted by ssgrif
It doesnt seem right to me that Gandalf, probably the wisest of all who ever walked through ME, Would have told his foe, of the same race and power, that he was weilding the ring Narya.

It would be like Frodo going up to the Black gate, knocking on the door, and asking for safe passage as he has the One ring on him, and needs to get to Mount Doom!

Or, "Hey Durins Bane, try and hit me if you can, I've got the ring Narya on me so I'll be safe".

Dont you think the Balrog would have tried something else, instead of trying to kill him with his sword, or slash him with his whip?

Sounds to me like you are addressing people (such as myself) who said that "weilder of the flame on Anor" was reference to Narya.
No one said that "secret fire" refers to Narya... did they?

I think everyone agrees that "secret fire" refers to Iluvatar... can't imagine what else it might be and in my opinion it seems pretty obvious