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Spiders

I have posted this thread before, but it accidentally got wiped and I only ever got two posts on it, so here it is again. The large spiders in Mirkwood, were they cousins of Shelob? Children of Ungoliant? Children of Shelob??? Any opinions?
 
Nicholas Blake, despite your status of Junior Member, I believe that is exactly the answer I was looking for. Rohansangel was incorrect in saying that Shelob couldn't talk. She talked to Gollum who delivered Sam and Frodo to her, of course she could talk Rohansangel, she was the last child of Ungoliant!!!
 
Zipedee-do-dah, zipedee-ay! You won't like me as much once you have read what I posted in your characters thread in the LoTR forum.
 
Just to support the cause. Here is the quote from the LotR's which supports that the spiders of Mirkwood were indeed the spawn of Shelob and that she was the spawn of Ungoliant.

From The Two Towers, Chapter Shelob's Lair, it states,

Thus your question is answered directly from the book and this thread is complete.
 
OK, so I was wrong ... I hadn't checked the book as I should have, and you guys did, so now I feel silly.
Oh, and Nicholas ... don't feel special, because there are plenty of intelligent JMs besides you, and if you were as intelligent as you think you are, then you wouldn't be talking about it ...
Let's keep it nice.

~The Angel of Rohan
 
I apologize if it appeared we were after you Rohansangel. All I was trying to do was answer the question. All of us need to make sure we follow the "Golden Rule". Treat everyone as you would like to be treated.

I agree with you Rohansangel, we must "keep it nice" and I'm here to make sure that happens.
 
I was just joking. Being an avid member of the Spawn Message Board for several years, I am used to the stereotype of Junior Members (AKA Newbies) being really ignorant and un-intelligent (Which was true a lot of the time).

I didn't mean to come down on anyone.
 

Thankyou Grond, I found that passage the other day but I still decide to see if anyone would come up with the right answer. I figured it would be you. You seem to like some of my threads.
 
I'm not really sure, nor do I know where one might look, but I would say no:

When Gandalf went to go chase of 'The Necromancer' as he was referred to in the Hobbit, many of the evil creatures that had taken abode in Mirkwood (because Sauron was there) were chased out too.
 
Have you read the whole thread Beleg? There is substantial evidence that the spiders of Mirkwood were the children of Shelob, not Ungoliant simply because Shelob was the last child of Ungoliant and the last in existence. So, the spiders of Mirkwood could not be children of Ungoliant.
 
Well, Shelob couldn't talk, and the Mirkwood spiders could, so they most likely weren't related to her.

This interests me greatly. Shelob is not recorded as having spoken any words, though Mirkwood spiders are certainly clearly recorded as having conversations in The Hobbit. Though I always assumed Shelob had spoken with Gollum, even though it is not recorded.

I wonder then if Ungoliant actually spoke when communicating with Morgorth, or possibly because she was Maia, they would communicate by the transfer of thought. Actually, could it be that neither Shelob or Ungoliant actually spoke, they simply understood?
 



Exactly usually junior memebers tend to be a little off im glad i finially got to normal memeber and now some people will take me more seriously lol but yeah it says in the book about shelob's children migrating to the northern parts of mordor and mirkwood and to a buncha different places so they are related to shelob
 
I have always presumed that Shelob could talk as she was a child of Ungoliant, who could speak. All of the children of Ungoliant could speak and the spiders of Mirkwood I believe were the children of Shelob who could also speak!
 
I am on vacation and don't have my books with me (I know... shame on me!) but I am sure that in the last few chapters of TT it gives a very detailed description of Shelob and identifies her as the last of the brood of Ungoliant and also refers to the Spiders of Mirkwood as her offspring.
 
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