🐴 The Lord of the Rings: The ⚔️War of the Rohirrim

[herlig9]

I mean, I understand why some people might feel like that, so as not to "ruin it" for them, but you never really know until you try. There's no guarantee that I will particularly like the film, but I'm going to at least give it a go to see what I think, so that I can analyze both the good as well as the bad, and not just focus on what other people say about it.

I think the worst that could happen isn't so much veering away from the books, but veering away from it in a way that does not benefit the story. If they make some good decisions that aren't word-for-word in the books, I'll be fine with it. But if they make crappy changes, on the the other hand, it is a possibility that it could go south.

Okay, the actual worse thing that could happen is STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER syndrome. And I don't mean female characters who exhibit strong qualities, like Eowyn in LotR or Natasha Romanoff from MCU. I mean people like the annoying Karenladriel from RoP.

Or slicing a 200 meter high monster with quick draw. Like really as anime as it can get haha.

But i get your point. Sometimes one shouldnt judge a book by its cover, maybe i could be wrong

 

[Eldacar]

The concept of the movie had me hyped up until the first trailer, when I saw how much it relied on the Peter Jackson Adaptation. I am afraid, it is going to be just some LotR Nostalgia Cash Grab with little value in terms of storytelling. Yet, I'm still going to watch it, since there is in my eyes still a chance, that it is going to be a worthwhile movie. And even if it is not: I want to discuss the movie with you guys, and if I don't watch it, I can't. If you reject the movie beforehand, there will be a lot of discussions here where you can only argue based on some assumptions made weeks in advance based entirely on a trailer, or not at all.

But i mean, in the sense that LOTR. Atleat Rohan part is to me all about CHAD energy.

I read that multiple times and still don't really understand, what you were trying to say. Could you elaborate this a bit?

 

[herlig9]

The concept of the movie had me hyped up until the first trailer, when I saw how much it relied on the Peter Jackson Adaptation. I am afraid, it is going to be just some LotR Nostalgia Cash Grab with little value in terms of storytelling. Yet, I'm still going to watch it, since there is in my eyes still a chance, that it is going to be a worthwhile movie. And even if it is not: I want to discuss the movie with you guys, and if I don't watch it, I can't. If you reject the movie beforehand, there will be a lot of discussions here where you can only argue based on some assumptions made weeks in advance based entirely on a trailer, or not at all.


I read that multiple times and still don't really understand, what you were trying to say. Could you elaborate this a bit?

Nostalgia baiting people is a bad faith thing to do in my view with trailers. They show good movies by Peter Jackson in the trailer, and then the product.

 

[Halasían]

I thought the 1st trailer leaned way too heavily onto Peter Jackson's LotR fanfic myself. It sort of had a 'hey, Peter Jackson is still relevant' vibe to it. I was hoping they would let this stand on its own instead of riding the name-recognition coattails.

I'm probably not going to watch it either, not so much because it's anime, I just don't like the fact that it veers away from the LOTR appendices (judging by the second half of the trailer). Not too excited about the watcher in the water and the oiliphant that somehow made it's way northwest either. The main character seemed generic, too.

I am curious about what changes you see may have been made to what was written in three pages of Appendix A. From what I can tell, its fairly close. Of course there has been 'additions', like Hèra, the name of Helm's unnamed daughter, along with her characterisation. And of course there has to be dramatic filler to make a two-hour movie out of three pages of text. I'm curious to see how they handle Fréaláf toward the end. There is no mention of 'Hild' in the IMDB cast list. I wonder if they will 'merge' Hèra into parts of Hild's role?

Angry-eyed anime isn't my first choice of Middle-earth depictions, but I'll pay to watch it once in the theatre.

 

[Annatar]

Hèra eventually having to lead her people, calling on the power of a seemingly long-lost tribe of female warriors.

Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh Join Animated ‘The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim’

Annecy: The announcement was made alongside a screening of new footage The post Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh Join Animated ‘The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim’ appeared first on TheWrap.

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I don't know if this is fake news, but I find it a bit strange if the plot would consist of Hera summoning some lost Amazons to save the Rohirrim. That would really have nothing to do with Tolkien. So I hope this article is garbage.

 

[Annatar]

I did some research: Amazons actually existed in Tolkien's First Age in the House of Haleth. But firstly, they were not a tribe of their own, they were rather the bodyguards of their female ruler at a certain point in time. Secondly, of all the peoples of the Third Age, the House of Haleth was most closely related to the Dunlendings, but not to the Rohirrim, who were the enemies of the Dunlendings.
The Rohirrim also had shieldmaidens, but they were not a separate ethnic group, let alone a lost one.
Conclusion: There were definitely isolated female fighters in Middle-earth, but there was never a large group of lost, rejected or otherwise emigrated female fighters.
If there had been such a group, and Hera had led them to save the Rohirrim, then Tolkien would of course have written about it - unless he was a chauvinist. Otherwise, unfortunately, this fanfiction makes no sense.
But I would still remain optimistic for the time being and assume that the article is fake news, otherwise it would be very stupid of the producers to upset the fan base so much.
One thing is certain, however: there is no “long-lost tribe of female warriors” in Tolkien's books with regard to the Rohirrim.

It also makes sense, as there was never a tribe of female warriors in real history. As I said, this only exists in Greek mythology, and this is probably invented. At the same time, it also makes sense that there were always isolated female warriors when the need arose. However, to ensure the survival of a people, in general it was always necessary and sensible for women not to go to war, with a few exceptions.

Either way, it makes no logical sense for women who are gifted in war to secede en masse from their native people and then live somewhere in hiding. This is either an ancient fantasy or modern feminist nonsense. But in no way compatible with Tolkien.

 

[Halasían]

I didn't see 'Amazon' or Amazons' mentioned in that article. Don't think it has anything to do with South America.

That said, if you can write in an army of elves in Helms Deep, why not a band of warrior women? Very PJ-ish.

 

[Annatar]

I didn't see 'Amazon' or Amazons' mentioned in that article. Don't think it has anything to do with South America.

But have you figured out what Amazons are? “Amazons” have nothing at all to do with South America - in which vending machine did you gain your education? 😁

That said, if you can write in an army of elves in Helms Deep, why not a band of warrior women? Very PJ-ish

I agree with you here for once, and I've always criticized PJ for that.
I still don't understand why you seem to think every non-PJ movie is good and defend it against PJ. Let me remind you again: I don't think PJ was successful either.
Besides, one third of this is a “PJ movie”, it was all Philippa Boyens' idea...

 

[TrackerOrc]

I didn't see 'Amazon' or Amazons' mentioned in that article. Don't think it has anything to do with South America.

That said, if you can write in an army of elves in Helms Deep, why not a band of warrior women? Very PJ-ish.

Well if it's going to be PJ-ish, i'm going to have to watch it dozens of times

 

[Halasían]

@Annatar, I said 'Watch this' when I posted, and you were right on cue. You obviously missed the '' 😆 You fail to disappoint.

Well if it's going to be PJ-ish, i'm going to have to watch it dozens of times

You do you.

 

[TrackerOrc]

@Annatar, I said 'Watch this' when I posted, and you were right on cue. You obviously missed the '' 😆 You fail to disappoint.



You do you.

It's definitely going to have to be very PJ-ish, as I've never actually watched an anime movie before, so here's hoping.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

An 8 minute clip just dropped:

If not up to Miyazaki standards, it looks pretty good to me.

 

[Berzelmayr]

video of the world premiere:

 

[herlig9]

I will give War of Rohirrim this. They know how to market cinema crowd well. .. screw it. I might see it afterall. I dont think its gonna be good. But i might give it a chance.

 

[Halasían]

It's worth a watch at the theatre.

 

[herlig9]

It's worth a watch at the theatre.

Thankfully i have my bills paid. Had to move urgently so i got cut short on money. So i will get my pay at 12th December. Lucky, since 13th December is when the movie is in cinema

 

[Halasían]

Just booked Alqualisse and my tickets at the IMAX theatre! Going on Saturday the 14th.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

IMAX should be quite an experience!

 

[TrackerOrc]

Well at least we know there'll be some Orcs, so that's always a plus.

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

Early reviews are mixed, but seem mostly positive.

First Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim reactions call the anime movie "breathtaking" and "a roaring return to Middle-earth"

Reactions are in for the Lord of the Rings anime movie

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