The Two Glorfindels!!

[Niniel]

I have seen others here speculate that the Glorfindel from LOTR was the same one that died in the Silmarillion while fighting with a Balrog after the fall of Gondolin, but that he was somehow resurrected, just as Gandalf later. But I haven't seen proof of this.

 

[Gil-Galad]

I've heard too that Glorfindel,who fought with the balrog and Glorfindel who takes part in LOTR are the same persons.And I like this idea,it seems to me possible that Glorfindel was resurrected ,just like Gandalf,because he fought with the Balrog.I think that's good idea as a whole.

 

[Anamatar IV]

that would make sense.

 

[Gil-Galad]

That's right.I think Grond would help you Servant of God.

 

[Edhel-dûr]

Mmm, you need to read Morgoth´s Ring, the chapter "Of Glorfindel, Cirdan, and other matters."

In this chapter you´ll find why Glorfindel returns to Middle Earth.

Greetings.

 

[Gil-Galad]

Yeah,I find it ....... .10x

 

[Edhel-dûr]

And why don´t you explain it to the Forum?

My level of english is very low XDD

Greetings.

 

[Gil-Galad]

here it's 05:02 am and believe me I'm diying for sleep

 

[Ceorl]

Ok the two Glorfindels from the first and third ages are one and the same. It is clearly stated in one of Tolkiens letters.

I can also tell you more accurately how Elves are reincarnated. When the Elves die, instead of leaving the world they are sent to the Halls of Mandos, from which they can be removed at the will of the Valar. Is it not in said the Silmarillion that Finrod Felagund walks now with his father under the trees in Aman? He was not however resurrected in the same way as Gandalf. Gandalf was one of the Ainur, he is immortal in every sense, he cannot be slain. The Istari, were clothed in bodies 'as of men, and subject to the fears and pains of the earth'. These forms could be slain, but Gandalf himself could not be. He was returned to Valinor where he merely got dressed up in a new body and came back to ME. Although he had been given greater power by the Valar.

 

[Ancalagon]

http://thetolkien.forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1462&pagenumber=1

You may also wish to read through this thread as it has a considerable amount of reference to Glorfindel.

 

[Cian]

Christopher Tolkien, concerning JRRTs thoughts on the matter of Glorfindel:

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"He came to the conclusion that Glorfindel of Gondolin, who fell to his death in combat with a Balrog after the sack of the city (II. 192-194, IV. 145), and Glorfindel of Rivendell were one and the same: he was released from Mandos and ..." C. Tolkien The Return Of The Shadow
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Tolkien's essays (ultimately published in a later volume of The History Of Middle-Earth) indeed bear out Christopher Tolkien's statement above.

 

[Cian]

Originally posted by Ceorl ... but Gandalf himself could not be. He was returned to Valinor where he merely got dressed up in a new body and came back to ME. Although he had been given greater power by the Valar.

According to Letters it would seem to be the Authority Ilúvatar who enhanced Gandalf and sent him back, not the Valar:


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"So Gandalf sacrificed himself, was accepted, and enhanced, and returned. ... (substantial edit by me) ... Sent back by whom and whence? Not by the 'gods' whose business is only with this embodied world and its time; for he passed 'out of thought and time'. ~ JRRT
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[Carantalath]

Thank you for figuring that out. I just thought that there were two Glorfindels but that's cool that he was the same elf. I was actually going to post asking about that but now that Servant of God has already asked, thanks for figuring that out!

 

[Edhel-dûr]

The case of Gandalf is diferent of the case of Glorfindel.

Don´t forget that Gandalf is a Maia.

Glorfindel is an elf and like all elves he can be reincarnated.

The Valar can asume the return of Glorfindel.

Please, read the Peoples of Middle Earth XD

Greetings.

 

[Arvedui]

Is there more than one Glorfindel?

From The Silmarillion, Of Tuor and the Fall of Gondolin:

Many are the songs that have been sung of the duel of Glorfindel with the Balrog upon a pinnacle of rock in that high place; and both fell to ruin in the abyss. But the eagles coming stooped upon the Orcs, and drove them shrieking back; and all were slain or cast into the deeps, so that rumour of the escape from Gondolin came not until long after to Morgoth's ears. Then Thorondor bore up Glorfindel's body out of the abyss, and they buried him in a mound of stones besides the pass; and a green turf came there, and yellow flowers bloomed upon it amid the barrenness of stone, until the world was changed.

Who then, is the Glorfindel in The Lord of the Rings?

 

[Confusticated]

From HoME - The Return of the Shadow

Also very notable is 'Glorfindel tells of his ancestry in Goldolin.' Years later, long after the publication of The Lord of the Rings,my father gave a great deal of thought to the matter of Glorfindel, and at that time he wrote:'[The use of Glorfindel] in The Lord of the Rings is one of the cases of the somewhat random use of the names found in the older legends, now referred to as The Silmarillion, which escaped reconsideration in the final publication of The Lord of the Rings.' He came to the conclusion that Glorfindel of Gondolin, who fell to his death in combat with a Balrog after the sack of the city, and Glorfindel of Rivendell were one and the same: he was released from mandos and returned to Middle-earth in the second age.

and that's that..

 

[Arvedui]

Thanks. I was halfway expecting that.
Dang. I've GOT to get HoME

 

[Valinorean]

I think the consensus is that there is only one, but check out this old thread about Glorfindel for some good info.

http://thetolkien.forum/showthread.php?threadid=4986&highlight=glorfindel

 

[Maeglin]

ooh ooh I have a question, what is this like the 50th thread debating who I actually am? Well I can tell you that I am both Glorfindels, the one in the The Sil and FotR, I have been asked this before by other people in the forum, and I used more or less the same quote Confusticated used to explain this, so I am telling you all that there the same elf, even if you don't want to believe it. But as for my name I prefer to be thought of as the Glorfindel from the Sil, though I love them both just cause there the best elf ever, but look at my avatar and my status, I'm the Glorfindel that fell while Killing that big mean Balrog on the Mountains around Gondolin. See this is me fighting the Big Mean Balrog

 

[Grond]

I have merged and renamed this old thread which deals with the subject. Anyone who wants further information (beyond the simple answer) can post here.