Was Mahtan one of the First Born at Cuivienen?

[Mithrellas.Dagoranna]

Is it possible that Mahtan was one of the First Born? I mean ones who was awake at cuivienen.

 

[Deleted member 16067]

I'd say so. It seems he was the same generation as Finwe, Olwe, Elwe etc and his parents are never mentioned.

 

[Mithrellas.Dagoranna]

So, who were the elves first borns? Like Mahtan, Finwe, etc.

 

[Elthir]

It's not really known who the First Born (or Unbegotten) were. In the Later Quenta Silmarillion (and in the Silmarillion constructed and published by Christopher Tolkien) it is not said that Ingwe, Finwe, Olwe and Elwe were among the Unbegotten.

In the 1950s Tolkien wrote a text called The Awakening of the Quendi, in style meant to be an Elvish fairytale mixed with counting lore. Here there are 144 Unbegotten Elves (72 pairs of spouses), and the Unbegotten leaders of the clans have numerical names, Imin, Tata, Enel, meaning One, Two, Three (incidentally, here the Sun exists before the Elves awaken).

Generally speaking, what's possible is yet another story

 

[Miguel]

and the Unbegotten leaders of the clans have numerical names, Imin, Tata, Enel, meaning One, Two, Three...

Generally speaking, what's possible is yet another story

The dark rider took them.

 

[Valenthir]

I would say he was one of the Fatherless, he even had a beard!