Were the 💀Nazgul kind of weak?

[Dark_wraith]

Hi im new to this forum but have read LOTR twice so i am not new to tolkien. I was just wondering if anyone else thought that the nazgul (ringwraiths) were actually kinda weak??

I mean in the book they were made out to be well hard and apparently some of the strongest servants of the enemy but if you read it, they dont really seem to be no where near as strong as the characters make out. I mean they run screaming from any kind of conflict with anyone who is taller than a hobbit!!I thought these guys were suppost to be the elite in evil and yet 5 of them couldnt even kill frodo at weathertop as they were fought off by aragorn. I know they wounded him with that evil knife thing but still if they had the strength why not kill him and take the ring??

I think that in the movie however they do seem to be much more nasty than they are in the book!!!!!

I'd love to hear some other thoughts on this.

=BeZ=

 

[Anamatar IV]

every word you just said contradicted the other. In THE MOVIE aragorn fended off the nazgul. in THE BOOK frodo stabbed the nazgul and when he moved the nazgul missed with his blade and hit his shoulder. Aragorn and the hobbits then warded the nazgul off with the flames. did you read the trilogy or just the 1st book? in the return of the king the nazgul are the most terrifying things ever.

 

[Dark_wraith]

The books arent actually a trilogy. It says that at the beggining somewhere. They are just 3 parts of the same novel. And yes i have read all 3 parts. Frodo DOESNT stab the Nazgul, he slices its cloak cos strider finds it in the mornin. The Nazgul are like the bumbling henchmen of sauron!!! In the movie they were actually kinda scary but in the book they were pants!!

=BeZ=

 

[Anamatar IV]

and i quote:

"Elbereth A! Gilthoniel"

"It was the name of elbereth that hurt [the nazgul] more than the sword"

Remember that aragorn picked up a sword that disolved before his eyes? No, the nazgul blade does not disolve if it stabs something. A blade that peirces a nazgul disolves.

 

[Dark_wraith]

But the nazgul blade did dissolve. It melted when strider picked it up as he kept the hilt and showed it to that elf that they met on their way to rivendell (cant remember his name but he gave frodo a VERY fast horse) and the elf said that it was a nazgul blade and beyond his power to heal.

But you have to admit that the wraiths are pants compared to what everyone claims them to be!! It has been a while since i read return of the king and i remember that they were a little more nasty but still no where near as nasty as they sounded.

If i could be bothered to go upstairs and find my LOTR's book i would quote ur ass off!!!!

lol

=BeZ=

 

[Confusticated]

Yes, fear was the weapon of the Nazgul, their strength was in the difficulty of killing them.

 

[Dark_wraith]

How did they kill them by the way??? Ive totally forgot. I remember their horses being wiped by a flood made by elrond and gandlaf but i cant remember how they themselves died.

 

[Anamatar IV]

in rotk when merry stabs the witch king his sword disolves. When eowyn stabs him-it disolves. Go ahead. Give me some quotes. Why would a blade disolve if it just peirced a regular person? Ill get my books as well. It will be a battle of quotes!

 

[Dark_wraith]

ok you want some quotes do ya!!??

Ok here goes,

ok page 193 in flight to the ford. Its on lines 17 - 24!!

I would type it but i cant b bothered sorry!!

It claims that the nazgul blade dissapears although just above i admit it says that frodo's does too.

 

[Confusticated]

I was left with the impression that Merry's sword killed the Nazgul...and that Eowyn just happend to strike it as well.
By the way...welcome to the forum Dark Wraith

 

[Anamatar IV]

merry stabbed behind the knee and eowyn stabbed it in the hood

 

[Confusticated]

But was it not Merry's bloade that did the killing?

 

[Dark_wraith]

ta 4 the welcome confusticated and anamatar, you have gone quiet on the whole nazgul blade issue!!!!! lol.

I think you have just looked in the book and found that particular quote!! I still cant remember how they died but i am currently re-reading the book so i guess i will come to it sooner or later. I have 2 admit i cant remember too much about the later stuff especially about merry stabbing the guy in the knee. I didnt remember that at all.

i have started wondering WHY the nazgul disguised themselves as black riders. I mean their true from is much more nasty looking and powerful and if the ring really is that important to sauron then i would have sent out my best warriors in their most powerful froms. Not the chuckle brothers wearing black coats!!!

=BeZ=

 

[Dark_wraith]

confisticated, i read ur post in the other room and i suppose that horses would make them faster but surely they could go as their own form on the horses. Or possibly ride something cooler like a flying orc or summat!!!

I know it sounds hard to believe but didnt sauron find a way to breed super trolls?? They were called uruk hai or something i think. i cant remember though but surely if he got the right orc to mate with the right chicken.........

A flying orc!!!

lol

=BeZ=

 

[Anamatar IV]

the two towers:

Page 201:

"At that moment a shadow fell over them.The bright moonlight seemed to be suddenly cut off. several of the riders cried out, and crouched, holding their arms above their heads, as if to ward off a blow from above: a blind fear and a deadly cold fell on them. Cowering they looked up. A vast winged shape passed over the moon like a black cloud. It wheeled and went north, flying at a speed greater than any wind of middle-earth. The stars fainted before it and it was gone.
They stood up rigid as stones. Gandalf was gazing up, his arms out and downwards, stiff, his hands clenched.
"NAZGUL!"

Apparently it got gandalf anf the riders terrified.

 

[Anamatar IV]

a few things. My mom needed to send an urgent e-mail so i was off for 20 minutes or so.

next. The nazgul could not be seen with out their robes. re-read the part where eowyn fights him.

if the nazgul took their swords and stabbed aragorn would they disolve?

 

[Beregond]

Dark Wraith - Saruman created the Uruk-Hai. They were "super-Orcs", not trolls.

As for the Nazgul, they were not "designed" to fight at first. As others have said, fear was their weapon until Sauron gave special powers to the Witch King in Return Of The King, making him the daddy of fighters. They are so hard to kill beacuse people are too afraid to attack them properly.

By the way, hi everyone, I'm new.

 

[Anamatar IV]

welcome to the forum. You'll find extensive arguments like this all through out thsi site.

 

[Dark_wraith]

i know for certain that somewhere in the book there is mention of a new breed of troll that can walk in the daylight and is stronger, faster and smarter than regular trolls. I KNOW that!!! Its somewhere in fellowship.

secondly, i was under the impression that the nazgul actually had a physical form. I cant remember very much but im sure i can remember something about them having wings!!

Oh and the flying orc/chicken thing was just a joke. I wasnt actually sayin that sauron could make an orc fly by making it shag a chicken!!!

=BeZ=

 

[Dark_wraith]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
if the nazgul took their swords and stabbed aragorn would they disolve?

They didnt stab aragron did they?? Im talkin bout when they stabbed frodo with that nasty dagger thingy.