What did Fingolfin's people want to do with 🧝Feanor?

TheManInTheMoon · Sep 17, 2021

It's not stated that she killed them, it's stated that she fought them and she saved the ship. So the implication here is that she either knocked them out (!!!) or killed them or something like that.

I totally agree that she must've avoided killing as much as possible. But you know, if we are being realistic and logical, we know it wasn't possible to not kill anyone in such a chaos of a battle.

Elthir · Sep 17, 2021

I don't agree it wasn't possible, especially if one is trying not to kill. By the way, as I just jumped into this part of the discussion, are we simply talking about the very late adumbrated tale here? " . . . indeed she with Celeborn fought heroically in defense of Alqualonde against the assault of the Noldor, and Celeborn's ship was saved from them."

Just this much? If so, that's very brief and leaves all kinds of scenarios open, in my opinion!

Anyway, TheManInTheMoon, are you planning on answering my request for the two texts you were referring to earlier, especially the first one concerning the "radical" alteration (Finrod with Finarfin)?

ZehnWaters · Sep 17, 2021

TheManInTheMoon said:
Yeah her daughter wasn't there in Lorien to make it. And her granddaughter as well, wasn't there. Galadriel personally made them herself. Also, we finally got confirmation on why Arwen didn't gift lembas to the Fellowship. It was simply because the cornes and recipes were only available in Lorien. And Elven ropes were only available there as well. What about Elven Cloaks then? I guess those were Lorien-only as well; only possible to create in Lorien. Or else Arwen would've gifted them to the Fellowship in Rivendell, surely Arwen must've learned the skill from grandma, and she would've put it to good use for the Fellowship if it was possible. I also love how even the Elven Smiths of Rivendell can't create a quality sheath for Anduril, but in Lorien you can find the best magical sheaths. And I love how it seems Galadriel was supposed to be the only Noldo in Lorien in earlier versions and she upgraded Lorien almost singlehandedly without the help of any fellow Noldor.

So...why did you say I know she'd made it?

TheManInTheMoon said:
This Irmo's device doesn't appear in later versions. But its resemblance to The Mirror of Galadriel is quite a nice touch still.

Yes.

ZehnWaters · Sep 17, 2021

Elthir said:
I don't agree it wasn't possible, especially if one is trying not to kill. By the way, as I just jumped into this part of the discussion, are we simply talking about the very late adumbrated tale here? " . . . indeed she with Celeborn fought heroically in defense of Alqualonde against the assault of the Noldor, and Celeborn's ship was saved from them."

Just this much? If so, that's very brief and leaves all kinds of scenarios open, in my opinion!

I....gotta side with ManInTheMoon on this one. It's extremely unlikely that in this fight NO Noldor died. The Teleri wouldn't have been cursed like the Noldor because they were defending themselves. That they're not explicitly stated to have killed Noldor doesn't mean it didn't happen. The Orcs with Uzi's argument and all of that.

Elthir · Sep 17, 2021

ZehnWaters said:
I....gotta side with ManInTheMoon on this one. It's extremely unlikely that in this fight NO Noldor died. The Teleri wouldn't have been cursed like the Noldor because they were defending themselves. That they're not explicitly stated to have killed Noldor doesn't mean it didn't happen.

For my part, that discussion with TheManInTheMoon began about Galadriel specifically though (and the saving of a ship), and I was still talking about her.

Again, all kinds of scenarios are available given the brevity of the adumbrated tale, with respect to what Galadriel did or did not do, and in what measure (how much) she fought.

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