Sauron is unable to take physical form, but I always thought of him like the Nazgul, no real body, but able to manipulate real objects, tho he probably did not have to wear the nine rings, just possess them, and maybe not even that, if Saruman could have controled them ( the Nazgul) if he had the one.I have it not, as surely its servants perceive without telling; for if I had it, then you would bow before me and call me lord.
Good luckOriginally posted by Samweis
Maybe I should read it in English.
Originally posted by ltas
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That sounds very reasonable. It seems that it's vitally important for Sauron to keep the Nine, otherwise he would loose his most important servants to the keeper of the One.
In the Silmarillion, on page 348, Tolkien wrote,"they (the Nazgul) fell under the thraldom of the ring they bore and under the domination of the One, which was Sauron's." Thus the Lord of the Nazgul was wearing his ring in the battle of the Pelennor Fields and it would have been left on the field when he was slain.After the ONE RING is dissapeared in the fires of the Orodruin, the eight rings of the Nazgûl were destroyed. But what happened with the ninth ring of the Witch-King? Does anybody know?
I agree that there was no ring found, but I will side with what Tolkien wrote over a third party that of his son in UT. Further in LotR, Tolkien has Gandalf telling Galdor (as mentioned in this thread) in the Council of Elrond, on page 327 of The Fellowship of the Ring, "The Nine the Nazgul keep. The seven are taken or destroyed." Thus Sauron has not taken the Nine and the ring still be not found on the field. However, I will look again at UT on this subject.Well, no ring was found on the Pelennor Fields, was there?
What I cannot understand is how you can still come to this conclusion when the quotes from LotR and UT in this old thread are, at least in my view, quite clear on this matter.
Okay, I have read the book. Thanks for Tolkien's quotes from UT, unfortunately they are taken out of context as shown on page 441, where the title "(ii) OTHER VERSIONS OF THE STORY" put them where they belong. Being a published author myself with copious notes, I suggest since Tolkien's notes contradict what he has written in LOTR, then he had a reason for that. His whole epic story revolves around a lost ring of power that was found. Thus, I suppose he had a subplot of another lost ring of power not found on the field of battle for the coming Age of Men. He did it on purpose. I found it! LOL! The road goes ever on. However, fact is stranger than fiction. Remember Thoth.These quotes are still from JRRT, if posthumously published in Unfinished Tales or elsewhere (adding two published in The Lord of the Rings).
"They were by far the most powerful of his servants, and the most suitable for such a mission, since they were entirely enslaved to their Nine Rings, which he now himself held..." JRRT Unfinished Tales
"At length he (Sauron) resolved that no others would serve him in this case but his mightiest servants, the Ringwraiths, who had no will but his own, being utterly subservient to the ring that had enslaved him, which Sauron held." JRRT Unfinished Tales
"I do not think they could have attacked him with violence, nor laid hold upon him or taken him captive; they would have obeyed or feigned to obey any minor command of his that did not interfere with their errand - laid upon them by Sauron, who still through their nine rings (which he held) had primary control of their wills;..." JRRT Letters
"True, alas, is our guess. This is not one of the Úlairi, as many have long supposed. It is Sauron himself who has taken shape again and now grows apace; and he is gathering again all the Rings to his hand;..." Of The Rings Of Power And The Third Age
"So it is now; the Nine he has gathered to himself; the Seven also, or else they are destroyed. The Three are hidden still." The Lord of the Rings
"You saw the Eye of him that holds the Seven and the Nine." The Lord of the Rings
Despite the Nine the Nazgul "keep", for myself, I think the message is that sometime after losing the One, Sauron took back the Nine.
Okay, I have read the book. Thanks for Tolkien's quotes from UT, unfortunately they are taken out of context as shown on page 441, where the title "(ii) OTHER VERSIONS OF THE STORY" put them where they belong. Being a published author myself with copious notes, I suggest since Tolkien's notes contradict what he has written in LOTR, then he had a reason for that.
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