What was the actual location of Utumno in Arda?

[Kraas]

Where exactly was Utumno located? I'm looking at a cool map of Arda, but it places Utumno just east of Cuivienen! I find that kinda....well, odd.

 

[Aldarion]

Is that map from A Tolkien Bestiary by David Day?

Cuiviénen is located to the north and east of Middle-earth and Utumno is likewise in the north as described early in the Silmarillion

 

[Flame of Utumno]

Have you read Karen Wynn Fonstad's 'The Atlas of Middle-Earth'?
This has a very good map of the first age showing everything from Utumno to Cuivienenn to Taniquetil in Valinor.
It also has a diagram showing the location of Utumno during the time of the two pillars of light - Illuin and Ormal.
In the second diagram, the ruins of Utumno are placed just north of the middle of the Ered Engrin (Iron Mountains) which stretched from Beleriand in the West to the Orcarni (Mountains of the East - whose southourn tip was close to Cuivienen).

If you look at a map of Middle Earth in the Third age, it places the ruins of Utumno somewhere directly north of Eriador, and probably submerged under water in the 'Ice Bay' just south of the Cpae of Forochel.

 

[Beleg Strongbow]

Originally posted by Flame of Utumno
Have you read Karen Wynn Fonstad's 'The Atlas of Middle-Earth'?
This has a very good map of the first age showing everything from Utumno to Cuivienenn to Taniquetil in Valinor.
It also has a diagram showing the location of Utumno during the time of the two pillars of light - Illuin and Ormal.
In the second diagram, the ruins of Utumno are placed just north of the middle of the Ered Engrin (Iron Mountains) which stretched from Beleriand in the West to the Orcarni (Mountains of the East - whose southourn tip was close to Cuivienen).

If you look at a map of Middle Earth in the Third age, it places the ruins of Utumno somewhere directly north of Eriador, and probably submerged under water in the 'Ice Bay' just south of the Cpae of Forochel.

Look here for a great map of all of arda
numenore, M.E BELERIAND AND M.E now and Valinor.

 

[Bucky]

I couldn't bring up that site.

But, they didn't have any map like those at 'The Encyclopedia of Arda' site, did they?
I always wondered where The Red Mountains were & the Sea of Helcar, etc.

BTW, are these maps from Tolkien's drawings, specifications or descriptions?

Or are they just somebody's guesses?

 

[menchu]

Originally posted by Beleg Strongbow
Look here for a great map of all of arda
numenore, M.E BELERIAND AND M.E now and Valinor.

You must have had a problem with the link, I think a square bracket is wrong...
http://www.tolkien.homestead.com

 

[BluestEye]

Great, Menchu, this is a great map indeed!
Well, Kraas, you can see "Utumno" written not far to the east of the lamp of Illuin.

BluestEye

 

[Beleg Strongbow]

Originally posted by BluestEye
Great, Menchu, this is a great map indeed!
Well, Kraas, you can see "Utumno" written not far to the east of the lamp of Illuin.

BluestEye

Yeah that map i found was the best map of m.e i have seen

 

[Gareth]

Speaking of maps, could you guys give
me some links to sites with decent maps,
especilly Valinor

 

[Beleg Strongbow]

Originally posted by Gareth
Speaking of maps, could you guys give
me some links to sites with decent maps,
especilly Valinor

look above that is the best i have seen,

 

[menchu]

Originally posted by Beleg Strongbow
Yeah that map i found was the best map of m.e i have seen

Beleg, I hope you didn't get angry, cause I DO KNOW you were the "discoverer" of the site...

 

[Beleg Strongbow]

Originally posted by menchu


Beleg, I hope you didn't get angry, cause I DO KNOW you were the "discoverer" of the site...

nuh i wan't angry.

 

[menchu]

*Menchu smiles back and they shake hands*

 

[Beleg Strongbow]

Originally posted by menchu
*Menchu smiles back and they shake hands*

good

 

[Gareth]

Those sites were ok, but the maps on one
were really fuzzy.I need to keep searching.

 

[Beleg Strongbow]

Originally posted by Gareth
Those sites were ok, but the maps on one
were really fuzzy.I need to keep searching.

yes maybe if you used a search engine??

 

[Narsil Chunks]

Maps, maps, maps

Originally posted by Gareth
Speaking of maps, could you guys give
me some links to sites with decent maps,
especilly Valinor

Do a google search and you'll find tons of stuff. This guy's site in particular I liked. Tons of maps of Arda from various sources through the ages.

http://members.tripod.com/john.ohara/Arda.htm

A close up of the Valinor on the map already cited:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/7990/map2.htm

 

[Gareth]

Cheers