Where's 🧙Radagast? Anyone?

Snaga · Dec 18, 2003

He failed of his task, and became enamoured of the creatures of Middle-Earth; rather than aiding the people of Middle Earth in the fight against evil.

So you could believe that he would eventually return to Valinor, not in triumph yet not in total disgrace since he never turned to evil...

Or that he stayed in Middle Earth ever more diminuished, as he wasted the power that was within him in pursuit of ever greater affinity with the creatures of Middle Earth

Or that in Fourth Age, when evil next arose, he redeemed himself by realising there is no solace in nature in itself, and that ultimately those of good will must make a stand against those that would ruin the world in the pursuit of power

Or anything else you care to think of....

HLGStrider · Dec 18, 2003

But can you disprove my theory that Radagast is now the corrupt Mayor of Nellyville, has developed a deep southern accent, and goes for curvaceous young redheads?

This can be disproven with simple logic.

Logical Premesis One: Radagast was a gentle man.
Logical Premesis Two: Gentlemen prefer blondes.
Logical Conclusion: Radagast prefered blondes and wouldn't touch the nasty red heads. . .curvaceous or not.

(Wow that's one of the most random things I've ever written)

You can't be random without my permission. I'm QUEEN of random.

I still like my theory best.

Flammifer · Dec 18, 2003

Gentleman?!? Assuredly not, your Ladyship (hehe Shelob).

LotR: FotR, "The Council of Elrond"

' "Gandalf!" he cried. I was seeking you. But I am a stranger in these parts. All I knew was that you might be found in a wild region with the uncouth name of Shire"

Gentleman?!? He can't even respect the name of a region of Middle-earth, the place he is meant to be protecting! What a snob!

LotR: FotR, "The Council of Elrond"

"I myself shall turn back at once." And with that he would have ridden straight off."

How rude! He didn't even say "goodbye", "farewell", or anything!

Gentleman?!? Assuredly not!

Radagast prefered blondes and wouldn't touch the nasty red heads. . .curvaceous or not.

Any redheads here that want to defend themselves?!?

HLGStrider · Dec 18, 2003

Elgee tosses her blonde hair and decides the red heads can have Radagast if they want him since he is obviously not a gentleman.

I ought to start a poll on Radagast. . .maybe he was a rednecky type outdoorsy guy. . .

Flammifer · Dec 18, 2003

Haha.....at last we agree.....Radagast was a rednecked hick! Hence his deep southern accent!

HLGStrider · Dec 18, 2003

Another interesting poll by ELGEE!

Here. . .you can express your opinion. . .

Úlairi · Dec 19, 2003

Perhaps this might be of some assistance.

Unfinished Tales: The Istari
"For with the consent of Eru they sent members of their own high order, but clad in bodies as of Men, real and not feigned, but subject to the fears and pains and weariness of the earth, able to hunger and thirst and be slain; though because of their noble spirits they did not die, and aged only by the cares and labours of many long years."

You could derive a few theories on that. Perhaps Aiwendil became so enamoured with the beats of ME that he denied himself food and water! Highly unlikely however. Another explanation may be that the gift of immortality for his physical body was abolished, as his spirit perhaps had lost some of its inherent nobility, as Aiwendil fell from his errand, as did Saruman. Why Saruman didn't die because of sudden loss of nobility (which cannot be rebuked), all I could say in answer would be that Saruman was an instrument for good, as all evil supposedly is. Perhaps his body grew so weary, and aged so much that eventually he diminished.

However, I believe this to be the most likely explanation.

Unfinished Tales: The Istari
"There is no hint of an explanation of why Yavanna's evident desire that the Istari should include in their number one with a particular love of the things of her making could only be achieved by imposing Radagast's company on Saruman; while the suggestion in the essay on the Istari (p. 505) that in becoming enamoured with the wild creatures of Middle-earth Radagast neglected the purpose for which he was sent is perhaps not perfectly in accord with the idea of his being specially chosen by Yavanna."

Pretty self-explanatory. The purpose for which Aiwendil was sent may not really have been to counter Sauron at all, but to observe and learn the lore of the creatures of ME, which Christopher Tolkien said was rather evident. So, when his purpose was fulfilled, Radagast would then return to Yavanna to tell her what he had learned.

Rangerdave · Dec 19, 2003

Leave it to Ulairi to get all serious in an obviously funny thread.

Besides everyone knows that Radagast shaved off his beard, traded in his brown robes for khaki shorts and moved to Beerwah Australia where he can now be seen hunting crocodiles.

RD

Úlairi · Dec 19, 2003

I might be the serious one, but at least I don't use the same joke in two different threads!

Flammifer · Dec 19, 2003

Ulairi, thankyou for your imput, it's very interesting.

Hahaha very nice RD, very nice......actually most of us Aussies don't partiularly like Steve Irwin - we reckon that he gives us all a bad name and reinforces the stereotypes that people from other countries already have of us........but anyway.......overseas people seem to like him.......we're not sure why........

Úlairi · Dec 19, 2003

I don't necessarily think so, I'm an Aussie myself! You know that Steve Irwin saved a man's life when he conducted a search party for a man (and a woman) who had been missing for a day at sea? He found the man, I believe the woman had died. What a hero! Fights crocs and save lives!

Flammifer · Dec 19, 2003

I haven't heard that story, Ulairi. Wow, it's great if he did that!

I'm not arguing that fact that the guy's a hero, or that he's good at sitting on crocodiles, but the stereotype that he brings with his brand of, erm, heroism.

I think that too many people from oversease believe that we all just wanna chuck a few more prawns on the barbie and have a Fosters or two. I think that Steve Irwin basically confirms this conception in foreigners' minds, whilst the other 19 million Aussies are asked questions when they go overseas like "Do you ride to school in a Kangaroo's pouch?" and "Do you have electricity over there?"

(Believe it or not, the latter question was asked of me by a 25 year old American! WE WERE TALKING OVER MSN!!!!!!!)

Húrin Thalion · Dec 19, 2003

Hmmm... I thought you were all like Steve Irvin.... or possibly Crocodile Dundee.

Anyway, Radagast. Well, I do not see a problem returning for him, after all, his body was more like clothes for his spirit than "Radagast", if you take my meaning. If the Valar wanted, they could easily summon him home, with or without boat, with or against his will. One might ask why he was not on the ship, and that I do not know, maybe he refused to go there and lingered in Mirkwood, but in the end, I believe that he had to abandon his "flesh" and return to Valinor, where he belonged.

Måns

redline2200 · Dec 19, 2003

I really wish that Tolkien would have written more about Radagast. I think he is a very intriguing (sp) character. I think he could be worked in the trilogy very easily and he would make it much better. Picture this......

It's the RotK and all the powers of the west (Gandalf, Aragorn, Eomer, sons of Elrond, etc.) are fighting before the black gate in a last stand. Everything looks lost because they are severly outnumbered. Well, as we all know, the eagles come to save the day. But let us say that in stead of everyone looking up to see the eagles coming, everyone looks up to a huge flash of light. Everyone thinks that is a wizard-like thing to do, but no one understands. Then, completely unexpectedly, they all see Radagast the Brown riding on Gwaihir to save the day! Then Radagast comes down and fights beside Gandalf in the most dramatic display of wizard-power ever seen, with two of them fighting side by side as one.

Does the thought of that happening warm anyone elses heart besides mine?? Come on, i think Radagast has the potential to be awesome, and I regret the size of his part in the LotR. Does anyone agree?

JOSHUASIGEP44 · Dec 19, 2003

First of all my opinion on Radagast -

I used to think of Radagast as an example of how much the Valar loved all of Eru's creations. That he was sent to ME strictly to look after animals and such. That he had a control over them like Gandalf (thru inspiration) and Saruman (thru his voice) had over men. After all it was Radagast that sent the eagle to rescue Gandalf from Orthanc. Upon further thought I think he became to involved with his works and staid behind. It is my belief he staid for the purpose to watch over ME for a while longer. Don't forget Cirdan the ship right had not taken ship yet either. At the beging of the Fourth age there are still of couple of people left in ME that born in the First age or before.

Side Note: When Saruman is stripped of his staff and color Gandalf takes his place. Well, does that mean Radagast became Radagast the Gray? I only say this because Gandalf took Sarumans place.

Flammifer · Dec 19, 2003

That's a really good question, JOSH. It would be my opinion (I can't back it up with quotes) that Radagast remained Brown. I say this because a wizard does not simply start wearing a different colour to become a more powerful wizard. Gandalf the Grey died, and Gandalf the White came back. He was reborn as White, he didn't just say to the Elves, "Hey give me some white to wear, I wanna be more powerful!"

Hmmm... I thought you were all like Steve Irvin.... or possibly Crocodile Dundee.

Precisely my point! This is what people think of us! It's simply not true! (Not to say that we don't have a little bit in us - we still have Aussie pride, but we're not all like Steve Irwin.)

(PS void all the previous paragraph if what you said was a joke, Hurin)

Does the thought of that happening warm anyone elses heart besides mine?? Come on, i think Radagast has the potential to be awesome, and I regret the size of his part in the LotR. Does anyone agree?

I love your scenario, redline! I think that would have been really really cool!

HLGStrider · Dec 19, 2003

I don't think it would be great: Too many wizards, like too many warrior-girls, and it gets crowded. There was only room for Gandalf.

redline2200 · Dec 20, 2003

(j/k)
How can you say there would be too many when there would only be two? I think Radagast saving the day is awesome myself, but oh well, everyone has their own opinion. Good Day!

HLGStrider · Dec 20, 2003

It's night. I insist you call it night! You can't fool me! I see your location! It's night there two!
NIGHT NIGHT NIGHT NIGHT NIGHT

GOOD NIGHT!

The same way I say it is too much to have both Arwen and Eowyn fighting as my justification for not liking that edition in the movie. One warrior princess is enough. That's only two.

It would've been confusing. You would've had to explain how he got there. Explain exactly who he was (you can get away with a mention and basically no characterization with the part he has now) and people would need to know what he did afterwards, etc.

As a plot device, it wouldn't work. This is speaking as a writer. It might be doable, but it is better with one very powerful wizard. Less distracting that way too.

Úlairi · Dec 20, 2003

Flammifer, I know what you mean. I still think the Yankees think we have kangaroos hopping down the streets of Sydney! One thing that really ticked me off when I was on here a couple of years ago, before I was banned. There was a very large political debate, as I recall, and suddenly evolution became an inherent part of the topic. As I am a Traditionalist Catholic, I argued very strongly against it. Then, some ignoramus comes into the thread, and puts this question to me: "Do they teach evolution in Australia?" I really let that person have it, in my original style, which some know just ain't nice. The ignoramus crumbled in an instant. Man, it even gives me the sh*ts thinking about it!

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