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Why was there writing on the Ring?

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I get it from a plot standpoint, that it could be used to identify it as the One Ring and not one of the lesser Rings. However, it's a fact that Sauron NEVER intended to lose the Ring from his control. So, why would HE need that little bit in Black Speech Elvish to hang around there? Was it some kind of incantation that he needed to activate the Ring? And, if so, was he unable to activate it without it being written there? (There are some theories that Frodo used the Ring's power on Gollum, even when it wasn't glowing and showing the words.)
 
There are some theories that Frodo used the Ring's power on Gollum, even when it wasn't glowing and showing the words.
"Theories" is a good word for this part. The only 'power' of the ring Bilbo, Frodo and Sam ever used, was its ability to make them invisible. And they didn't need to 'invoke' that... it was simply a function of its properties. One other 'power' Frodo discovered was its ability to let him see the other 3 elven rings, when others couldn't. But again, it wasn't invoked... just a function of the ring itself.

No, Frodo just used the FEAR of the power of the ring to gain Gollum's cooperation/compliance. To use its 'power' he would have had to 'claim it for his own', which he did not do until the very end.

As to why the inscription was there... I personally think (without any written justification as I haven't found any existing)... it was a function of Sauron's "pouring the greater part of his power into it." It could not otherwise have been one ring to rule them all. As he was, it became - and his invented 'black speech' was the language he used to make it so.

(Pure speculation... but I don't think we have more than speculation to go on, at this time. Perhaps our loremasters can help...or I can find out more soon.)
 
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Writing has been perceived as a source or means of power as far back as writing itself; further back in fact, with marks on prehistoric artifacts and cave paintings. Tolkien drew on Nordic and Germanic traditions, of course, with their runic inscriptions. I find it suggestive that makers of objects often put their names on their creations, going beyond what we would think of as "property of ____ " to say "Gusi Gunderson made me" -- as if the object itself were speaking, with the implication that it was "alive" in some way, that in the act of creation, part of the creator's life-force or power had passed into it.

I believe Tolkien adopted this traditional attitude with the Ring, but there are many other examples: 'There are evil things written on this hilt', says Glorfindel, 'though maybe your eyes cannot see them". I'd imagine that would go for the swords of the Nazgul, though as far as I can recall, no mention is made of that.

This applies to the "good" side as well, from the reforged Sword of Elendil "written with many runes" to the horn of Rohan presented to Merry, set with "runes of great value". It can't be said definitively that this includes the Barrow-knives, but "damasked with serpent-forms in red and gold" at least hints at the association.
 
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Don't you mean "Frodo" here?
Nope. Well... perhaps my memory is bad. My reference is to Sam coming up the stairs in the Tower when he had the ring. He 'appeared like a huge warrior' or such. But maybe he wasn't wearing it... it was jut a trick of the shadows and the play of the (unworn) ring making it so. I'll need to check, I fear.
 
Your memory is correct: Sam wasn't wearing the Ring in that scene, but the orcs felt it as "a hidden power, a cowing menace to the slaves of Mordor". In fact neither hobbit wore it inside Mordor, realizing that Sauron would immediately be aware of them, as indeed happened when Frodo put it on in the Sammath Naur.

But I was referring to the two incidents you originally cited:
No, Sam just used the FEAR of the power of the ring to gain Gollum's cooperation/compliance. To use its 'power' he would have had to 'claim it for his own', which he did not do until the very end.
It was Frodo who made Gollum "swear by" the Ring; and of course Sam never 'claimed it for his own'.

As far as I know, Sam never saw the elven rings; he wore the Ring only once, at the border of Mordor, far from any others. He did see them at the end of the story, when Elrond, Galadriel, and Gandalf were wearing them openly, but that was after the destruction of the One.
 
there are many other examples
Now that @Elthir has awakened from his nap, I'm sure he'll be able to provide some. 😉
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I believe Tolkien adopted this traditional attitude with the Ring, but there are many other examples: 'There are evil things written on this hilt', says Glorfindel, 'though maybe your eyes cannot see them".

I always liked the description of Hador's Helm: "That helm was made of grey steel adorned with gold, and on it were graven runes of victory. A power was in it that guarded any who wore it from wound or death, for the sword that hewed it was broken, and the dart that smote it sprang aside." JRRT, The Narn

As for the One Ring: my guess is that Sauron was pretty old by the time he made it, and we old folk sometimes have to write things down. But that said, the previous sentence (that I just wrote) is best forgotten.

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Writing has been perceived as a source or means of power as far back as writing itself; further back in fact, with marks on prehistoric artifacts and cave paintings. Tolkien drew on Nordic and Germanic traditions, of course, with their runic inscriptions. I find it suggestive that makers of objects often put their names on their creations, going beyond what we would think of as "property of ____ " to say "Gusi Gunderson made me" -- as if the object itself were speaking, with the implication that it was "alive" in some way, that in the act of creation, part of the creator's life-force or power had passed into it.

...
Couple things of note...
PJ actually got something right with respect to this (*gasp* 😲 really, he did) if you look closely at Eomer's helm the leather neck guard is embossed with the following inscription. It is in two lines (the neck guard has three layers of leather) :
See pics below...

Eomer me wered wígcræftig fruma
Heard under healme theodenes mæg


The first pic is of the (*ahem* officially licensed 🙄) United Cutlery repro collectible, scale is 1:1.
The second pic is the Weta "mini helm", scale is 1:6.
You can see the inscription on both.
It is actually quite clear on both collectibles but especially (surprisingly so) on the mini helm.
I have seen both.
It is in Old English, the language of Beowulf and also The Dream of the Rood (and Tolkien would have been familiar with both works.)

On a LOTR "collectors forum" several of us got together, compared notes and came up with a translation of the inscription.**

Eomer wears me cunning in war a captain bold under the crown of Theoden kinsman

** Any Old English scholars hereabouts feel free to correct this.


Eomer Helm inscription.jpg


Eomer's helm inscription.jpg


Second thing....runes going way back in ME history.
In The Song of Durin.....

The world was young, the mountains green,
No stain yet on the Moon was seen,
No words were laid on stream or stone
When Durin woke and walked alone.
.....
A king he was on carven throne
In many-pillared halls of stone
With golden roof and silver floor,
And runes of power upon the door.


-----
We now return you to our regularly scheduled program about some etchings on a Ring...or whatever........😁
 
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I'm still researching.
There's a reference in The Complete Tolkien Companion saying 'when he first put it on and spoke the Ring-spell his power waxed..." also "his plan was immediately known to Celebrimbor..."

So there seems to be some connection between the words on the ring and his sspeaking them, igniting the spell, passing the greater portion of his power into the ring (which enhanced it), etc.

I'm trying to run down the source of the thinking.
 
I can only speak for myself here but if I made a dark magic ring of power for myself I'd put a cool doom & gloom inscription on it, too. Maybe it's this simple. Maybe Sauron just thought the ring was cooler that way. 😄
Probably the answer to the question on why humans put inscriptions or engravings on anything. It started out to look cool and then turned into some form of representative symbolic value. This notion manifests in mythology of historical peoples and was adopted in the Lord of the Rings.

To ask why there was an inscription on the ring is basically to ask why this looks and feels important to us as readers. I think it's a similar question to why a ring was chosen as the object of importance in the first place. The short answer would be because they have been a reoccurring theme in ancient Mythos, but where does that come from? Why not a belt buckle, necklace or a brooch? Maybe this questions is more of an anthropological nature than one of literature.
 
Yes, Tolkien clearly wanted to fit his rings into the the tradition of "magic rings"; or to put it the other way round, to draw the whole world of fairy-tale and Romance literature into his own legendarium -- including rings.

But I want to suggest a further thought. LOTR can be read in many ways: as a pure adventure story, as a series of cautionary tales, as tragedy, comedy, irony. One way, especially in Fellowship, is as a series of unfolding mysteries, making it, for Frodo, what we'd call a "mystery story". But that is a relatively new genre, as is, from Tolkien's perspective, the use of "mystery" itself, in that sense, I can't recall if he used the word in his story that way -- maybe someone can give an answer -- but it traditionally had religious associations, rather than with a puzzle to be solved.

He preferred a term used widely in the early Medieval world he was most familiar with and comfortable in: "riddle", which first features in The Hobbit, but which appears again and again throughout LOTR. Some of the finest lyrics in Old English are riddles, and I think the idea would occur to him naturally.

How does a riddle work? Northop Frye puts it this way:
The idea of the riddle is descriptive containment: the subject is not described but circumscribed, a circle of words drawn around it.
"Circle of words" is certainly suggestive, as is "containment"; Sauron clearly intended to "contain" the other rings, but there are other implications, which I won't go into here, beyond pointing out that the rest of the Ring poem postdated the inscription on the One, making "them" in its verses at least ambiguous.

'How then do you read this riddle?' asks Gimli, and besides showing that Tolkien the philologist was well aware that "riddle" was originally the cognate object of "read", brings us round to Balrog's question again: why put the words on the Ring? Various answers have been given, and I'll just add this, in relation to the aspect I've been talking about: the Ring inscription is normally invisible -- it cannot be read -- making it a "riddle" indeed.
 
I think it is important to also not omit the value of words, as is continually demonstrated throughout Tolkien's works.

For example, there is great power in invocation. While the Valar themselves are not actively present in the Third Age, invoking them verbally seems to be a source of strength: Theoden calls to them as he charges into battle and the spoken name of Elbereth Gilthoniel does more against the Nazgûl attacking Frodo than his sword ever could. We also know that words engraved on an object can give it value, as is the case with Andúril's lineage being inscribed upon it as it was reforged from the shards of Narsil.

Now, the writing on the Ring is an excerpt from a poem about Sauron's triumph concerning all of the other rings. So, it makes sense for this verbally expressed hope to increase the value, if not the power, of the Ring.

Many wise things have been said in this thread before me, so that was just a thought!
 
I get it from a plot standpoint, that it could be used to identify it as the One Ring and not one of the lesser Rings. However, it's a fact that Sauron NEVER intended to lose the Ring from his control. So, why would HE need that little bit in Black Speech Elvish to hang around there? Was it some kind of incantation that he needed to activate the Ring? And, if so, was he unable to activate it without it being written there? (There are some theories that Frodo used the Ring's power on Gollum, even when it wasn't glowing and showing the words.)
I know this thread is over a year old since any replies, but what a great question! And so many of the answers are fun as well! Here is what I think....Sauron never meant the Ring to be lost. From my studying of Tolkien the Black Speech inscription may not be a “label” but more like a binding formula. It's like a dark echo of the Ainur’s Music. It appears to me that the words encode the Ring’s function. This thing can command, and it's supposed to dominate, as well as bind. And of course, all this is in relation to the other rings, bringing elves, dwarves and men under its power, as the NAZ GUL illustrate perfectly. (nazg = ring gûl = wraith, spirit, specter ) - they wore them so long they essential just disappeared as physical men and became specters, showing the rings power, as it was dominating their 9 rings.
The script is its true name in power. I look at it as a sort of sigil-spell married to metal. The Ring does not need to “glow” to work; its will is always active. Frodo’s brief dominion over Gollum suggests the words were not mere ornament. Those words are a permanent, latent incantation etched into existence itself.
 
I think it was like a custom of the times. Weapons, especially the important ones usually had inscriptions. Anduril did, I think Glamdring and Orchist, Hador's helm as mentioned.
The ring was conceived as an instrument of power, domination and it was probably Sauron's pride that made him write in it. But considering that he had to use elvish runes, hit looks that the writing needed to be there.
 
Yes, Tolkien clearly wanted to fit his rings into the the tradition of "magic rings"; or to put it the other way round, to draw the whole world of fairy-tale and Romance literature into his own legendarium -- including rings.

But I want to suggest a further thought. LOTR can be read in many ways: as a pure adventure story, as a series of cautionary tales, as tragedy, comedy, irony. One way, especially in Fellowship, is as a series of unfolding mysteries, making it, for Frodo, what we'd call a "mystery story". But that is a relatively new genre, as is, from Tolkien's perspective, the use of "mystery" itself, in that sense, I can't recall if he used the word in his story that way -- maybe someone can give an answer -- but it traditionally had religious associations, rather than with a puzzle to be solved.

He preferred a term used widely in the early Medieval world he was most familiar with and comfortable in: "riddle", which first features in The Hobbit, but which appears again and again throughout LOTR. Some of the finest lyrics in Old English are riddles, and I think the idea would occur to him naturally.

How does a riddle work? Northop Frye puts it this way:

"Circle of words" is certainly suggestive, as is "containment"; Sauron clearly intended to "contain" the other rings, but there are other implications, which I won't go into here, beyond pointing out that the rest of the Ring poem postdated the inscription on the One, making "them" in its verses at least ambiguous.

'How then do you read this riddle?' asks Gimli, and besides showing that Tolkien the philologist was well aware that "riddle" was originally the cognate object of "read", brings us round to Balrog's question again: why put the words on the Ring? Various answers have been given, and I'll just add this, in relation to the aspect I've been talking about: the Ring inscription is normally invisible -- it cannot be read -- making it a "riddle" indeed.
I'm going to hazard a guess (or surmise) about "mystery" .
First I think you are more correct than not that the word "mystery" was used more in a religious, except rather than religious I would say "supernatural",.
The early Gothic novels--- The Mysteries of Udopho by Ann Radcliff being one of the best known -- were Gothic Romances.

What follows if from Wkipedia with an occasional comment by moi...
Romance is "a fictitious narrative in prose or verse; the interest of which turns upon marvellous and uncommon incidents"
It was an outgrowth of Romanticism (a movement) that began in the late 18th C in Europe.
Romanticists elevated several key themes to which they were deeply committed: a reverence for nature and the supernatural, an idealization of the past as a nobler era, a fascination with the exotic and the mysterious, and a celebration of the heroic and the sublime.

The American novelist Nathaniel Hawthorne described a romance as being radically different from a novel by not being concerned with the possible or probable course of ordinary experience.
A fictitious narrative, usually in prose, in which the settings or the events depicted are remote from everyday life, or in which sensational or exciting events or adventures form the central theme; a book, etc., containing such a narrative. Now chiefly archaic and historical

With the rise of realism in the novel, the romance began to be considered a less serious and more frivolous genre, so that in the 20th century the term 'romantic novel' is often used disparagingly, to imply a contrast with a realist novel ... The term gradually came to mean any fiction remote from the conditions and concerns of everyday life. In this sense, romance is a broad term which can include or overlap with such genres as the historical novel or fantasy.

The most common fantasy world is one based on medieval Europe, and has been since William Morris used it in his early fantasy works, such as The Well at the World's End and particularly since the 1954 publication of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. Such a world is often called "pseudo-medieval".
The full width and breadth of the medieval era is seldom drawn upon. Governments, for instance, tend to be uncompromisingly feudal-based, or evil empires or oligarchies, usually corrupt, while there was far more variety of rule in the actual Middle Ages. Fantasy worlds also tend to be economically medieval, and disproportionately pastoral.
 

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