Turin_Turambar
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Did cirdan fight in the war of wrath? Does anyone have information on this subject?

I understand it is unknown.
I understand it is unknown.
you probably know. Not only in the silmarillion. Is there an article about cirdan fighting in the war of wrath, including the 10-volume middle-earth history series?Sorry . . . and I almost didn't post it . . . but that beard tipped the scales!
It was more about his general Cirdan-ish look (well, for those who picture him this way, I guess) . . .
and not about actual exasperation in any case.
plus it's kind of a nice scene in my opinion, art-wise
I don't actually care how many War of Wrath threads there are!
They are all Tolkien based chat. They are all good.
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The only accounts of the War of Wrath (Later Annals of Beleriand, Quenta Silmarillion) were written before LotR (c.1937, HoME 5). The character of Cirdan the shipwright is not "invented" until the post-LotR Annals of Aman and Grey Annals (c.1951, HoME 10/11).you probably know. Not only in the silmarillion. Is there an article about cirdan fighting in the war of wrath, including the 10-volume middle-earth history series?
After the war, the valar cirdan offers a choice or a reward. I read something similar.The only accounts of the War of Wrath (Later Annals of Beleriand, Quenta Silmarillion) were written before LotR (c.1937, HoME 5). The character of Cirdan the shipwright is not "invented" until the post-LotR Annals of Aman and Grey Annals (c.1951, HoME 10/11).
So, no, there is no article![]()
If I remember correctly they did this in Years of the Trees during the Great March. They gifted Cirdan the gift of being the most far-sighted Elf and commanded him to remain in Middle-earth.
I definitely have a different image of Cirdan in my mind. He seems to have been a warden, master, whatever, of havens during pretty much his entire existence in Middle-earth. In the First Age, someone equivalent to Elrond and his "Last Homely House", ruler of a refuge. For that matter, Cirdan even in the Third Age was still at the Grey Havens, at the westernmost end of that road that ran though the Shire, while Elrond was at its easternmost end before it crossed the Misty Mountains. It is a common misconception that in armies almost everyone fights. In modern armies the logistics backup is often several times the actual fighting force. But at all times, any force that fought perhaps more than a day's march away from home needed supporting non-combatants.Cirdan must've answered the summons of Fionwë because.... That what Cirdan does, he fights.
First a nitpick: the OP was about the War of Wrath (as so many are ...)
lol That's because Tolkien wrote so little about it compared to other topics.First a nitpick: the OP was about the War of Wrath (as so many are ...)
Wasn't he there with Elrond when they told Isildur to throw the ring in the fire?For your claim that Cirdan fought in the Last Alliance, I'd like to see a quote of something JRRT himself wrote, and please book and section / chapter.
I argue about plausibilities when JRRT does not explicitly make a statement in his own writing. Or sometimes I don't enter the argument, for a variety of reasons.You are arguing that Cirdan didn't leave the havens to go to war of wrath. But he had already done it several times in First Age. And in Second Age he even went to thousands of miles away from the havens to fight in the Last Alliance.
Maglor is a poet. Should I argue he didn't fight in any wars? And many other characters are specialized in other tasks, such as smith craft. Yet they all take part in wars. Especially the ones like Cirdan who don't hold a big grudge against the Noldor and the Dwarves.
Cirdan and Elrond were the only ones who stood by GilGalad and advised Isildur to cast it into the fire. Destroy it. Isildur!
I argue about plausibilities when JRRT does not explicitly make a statement in his own writing. Or sometimes I don't enter the argument, for a variety of reasons.
But where I am merciless is when I ask you to provide a quote from anything JRRT wrote. Every single statement in your above post is an argument. You have not provided a single quote. Do so, and I will willingly concede the point. Do not, then I must assume that you are trying to present arguments (which have their place, see above) as "facts" (anything JRRT actually wrote - and yes, I know that he contradicted himself no end over the decades - ask @Elthir !)
So, quotes please.
Yes, Cirdan being at Orodruin with Elrond and Isildur is in "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age", though all three being at (in) Orodruin is not explicitly mentioned in "Council of Elrond". A quote from JRRT, and one even author-published - as I have my books on me (I wouldn't care Balrog droppings about any non-quoting claims by anything in the Internet).I don't have my books on me but the Tolkien Gateway site backs up the claim that Cirdan was at Orodruin, citing "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age" and "The Council of Elrond"