Did cirdan fight in ⚔️war of wrath?

[Turin_Turambar]

Did cirdan fight in the war of wrath? Does anyone have information on this subject?

 

[Elthir]

 

[Turin_Turambar]

I understand it is unknown.

 

[ZehnWaters]

I can’t imagine many fought in the War of Wrath who weren’t from Aman or were freed by their hosts. I think Círdan likely stayed on the isle of Belar.

 

[Elthir]

I understand it is unknown.

Sorry . . . and I almost didn't post it . . . but that beard tipped the scales!

It was more about his general Cirdan-ish look (well, for those who picture him this way, I guess) . . .
and not about actual exasperation in any case.

plus it's kind of a nice scene in my opinion, art-wise

I don't actually care how many War of Wrath threads there are!

They are all Tolkien based chat. They are all good.

 

[Turin_Turambar]

Sorry . . . and I almost didn't post it . . . but that beard tipped the scales!

It was more about his general Cirdan-ish look (well, for those who picture him this way, I guess) . . .
and not about actual exasperation in any case.

plus it's kind of a nice scene in my opinion, art-wise

I don't actually care how many War of Wrath threads there are!

They are all Tolkien based chat. They are all good.

you probably know. Not only in the silmarillion. Is there an article about cirdan fighting in the war of wrath, including the 10-volume middle-earth history series?

 

[m4r35n357]

you probably know. Not only in the silmarillion. Is there an article about cirdan fighting in the war of wrath, including the 10-volume middle-earth history series?

The only accounts of the War of Wrath (Later Annals of Beleriand, Quenta Silmarillion) were written before LotR (c.1937, HoME 5). The character of Cirdan the shipwright is not "invented" until the post-LotR Annals of Aman and Grey Annals (c.1951, HoME 10/11).

So, no, there is no article

 

[m4r35n357]

Roll call of all named characters in the War of Wrath (source: Later Annals of Beleriand, Quenta Silmarillion):

Eonwe/Fionwe: Herald/son of Manwe
Ingwiel: son of Ingwe
Morgoth: the dark enemy
Ancalagon the Black: dragon
Thorondor: eagle
Earendil: the Mariner

That is all!

 

[TheManInTheMoon]

Cirdan must've answered the summons of Fionwë because.... That what Cirdan does, he fights.

 

[Turin_Turambar]

The only accounts of the War of Wrath (Later Annals of Beleriand, Quenta Silmarillion) were written before LotR (c.1937, HoME 5). The character of Cirdan the shipwright is not "invented" until the post-LotR Annals of Aman and Grey Annals (c.1951, HoME 10/11).

So, no, there is no article

After the war, the valar cirdan offers a choice or a reward. I read something similar.

 

[TheManInTheMoon]

After the war, the valar cirdan offers a choice or a reward. I read something similar

If I remember correctly they did this in Years of the Trees during the Great March. They gifted Cirdan the gift of being the most far-sighted Elf and commanded him to remain in Middle-earth.

However, Elrond and Galadriel and GilGalad have better track record of doing "far-sighted" deeds. I've seen people arguing that Cirdan already knew that they will do those far-sighted deeds in the accurate given time, hence he didn't do anything himself. Still, the only Elf who is compared to Manwë the greatest spirit of wisdom and knowledge of the Music is Galadriel, Third Age Galadriel specifically.

 

[Olorgando]

Cirdan must've answered the summons of Fionwë because.... That what Cirdan does, he fights.

I definitely have a different image of Cirdan in my mind. He seems to have been a warden, master, whatever, of havens during pretty much his entire existence in Middle-earth. In the First Age, someone equivalent to Elrond and his "Last Homely House", ruler of a refuge. For that matter, Cirdan even in the Third Age was still at the Grey Havens, at the westernmost end of that road that ran though the Shire, while Elrond was at its easternmost end before it crossed the Misty Mountains. It is a common misconception that in armies almost everyone fights. In modern armies the logistics backup is often several times the actual fighting force. But at all times, any force that fought perhaps more than a day's march away from home needed supporting non-combatants.

 

[TheManInTheMoon]

Cirdan fought in the Last Allisnce, far away from his home.

Elrond had retired from being a warrior in Third Age.

 

[Olorgando]

Cirdan fought in the Last Allisnce, far away from his home.
Elrond had retired from being a warrior in Third Age.

First a nitpick: the OP was about the War of Wrath (as so many are ...)
Second, Cirdan during the First Age might have been far older than Elrond in the time of the War of the Ring, as far as retirement goes (I am retired).
And Cirdan was named "the Shipwright", apparently with skills approaching those of the Teleri of Aman. A specialist you don't throw away in any war, even if he were a skilled warrior, about which I don't recall JRRT ever writing anything.

For your claim that Cirdan fought in the Last Alliance, I'd like to see a quote of something JRRT himself wrote, and please book and section / chapter.

 

[ZehnWaters]

First a nitpick: the OP was about the War of Wrath (as so many are ...)

lol That's because Tolkien wrote so little about it compared to other topics.

For your claim that Cirdan fought in the Last Alliance, I'd like to see a quote of something JRRT himself wrote, and please book and section / chapter.

Wasn't he there with Elrond when they told Isildur to throw the ring in the fire?

 

[TheManInTheMoon]

You are arguing that Cirdan didn't leave the havens to go to war of wrath. But he had already done it several times in First Age. And in Second Age he even went to thousands of miles away from the havens to fight in the Last Alliance.

Maglor is a poet. Should I argue he didn't fight in any wars? And many other characters are specialized in other tasks, such as smith craft. Yet they all take part in wars. Especially the ones like Cirdan who don't hold a big grudge against the Noldor and the Dwarves.

Cirdan and Elrond were the only ones who stood by GilGalad and advised Isildur to cast it into the fire. Destroy it. Isildur!

 

[Olorgando]

You are arguing that Cirdan didn't leave the havens to go to war of wrath. But he had already done it several times in First Age. And in Second Age he even went to thousands of miles away from the havens to fight in the Last Alliance.

Maglor is a poet. Should I argue he didn't fight in any wars? And many other characters are specialized in other tasks, such as smith craft. Yet they all take part in wars. Especially the ones like Cirdan who don't hold a big grudge against the Noldor and the Dwarves.

Cirdan and Elrond were the only ones who stood by GilGalad and advised Isildur to cast it into the fire. Destroy it. Isildur!

I argue about plausibilities when JRRT does not explicitly make a statement in his own writing. Or sometimes I don't enter the argument, for a variety of reasons.

But where I am merciless is when I ask you to provide a quote from anything JRRT wrote. Every single statement in your above post is an argument. You have not provided a single quote. Do so, and I will willingly concede the point. Do not, then I must assume that you are trying to present arguments (which have their place, see above) as "facts" (anything JRRT actually wrote - and yes, I know that he contradicted himself no end over the decades - ask @Elthir !)

So, quotes please.

 

[ZehnWaters]

I argue about plausibilities when JRRT does not explicitly make a statement in his own writing. Or sometimes I don't enter the argument, for a variety of reasons.

But where I am merciless is when I ask you to provide a quote from anything JRRT wrote. Every single statement in your above post is an argument. You have not provided a single quote. Do so, and I will willingly concede the point. Do not, then I must assume that you are trying to present arguments (which have their place, see above) as "facts" (anything JRRT actually wrote - and yes, I know that he contradicted himself no end over the decades - ask @Elthir !)

So, quotes please.

I don't have my books on me but the Tolkien Gateway site backs up the claim that Cirdan was at Orodruin, citing "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age" and "The Council of Elrond"

 

[Olorgando]

I don't have my books on me but the Tolkien Gateway site backs up the claim that Cirdan was at Orodruin, citing "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age" and "The Council of Elrond"

Yes, Cirdan being at Orodruin with Elrond and Isildur is in "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age", though all three being at (in) Orodruin is not explicitly mentioned in "Council of Elrond". A quote from JRRT, and one even author-published - as I have my books on me (I wouldn't care Balrog droppings about any non-quoting claims by anything in the Internet).

 

[TheManInTheMoon]

'I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown, and Isildur cut the Ring from his hand with the hilt-shard of his father’s sword, and took it for his own.’

At this the stranger, Boromir, broke in. 'So that is what became of the Ring!' he cried. `If ever such a tale was told in the South, it has long been forgotten. I have heard of the Great Ring of him that we do not name; but we believed that it perished from the world in the ruin of his first realm. Isildur took it! That is tidings indeed.’

'Alas! yes,' said Elrond. `Isildur took it, as should not have been. It should have been cast then into Orodruin’s fire nigh at hand where it was made. But few marked what Isildur did. He alone stood by his father in that last mortal contest; and by Gil-galad only Círdan stood, and I. But Isildur would not listen to our counsel.