How old did the Drúedain live??

[ZehnWaters]

And did the ones from Númenor have their lives extended?

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

As you seem to be familiar with the story in Note 7 to the essay on them on UT, you must know the statement "Alas! they were not long-lived" in that essay, and Christopher's underlining of the point in one of his notes. I know of no explicit statement of a specific life-expectancy.

Or of anything relating to an extention of it in Numenor.

 

[ZehnWaters]

As you seem to be familiar with the story in Note 7 to the essay on them on UT, you must know the statement "Alas! they were not long-lived" in that essay, and Christopher's underlining of the point in one of his notes. I know of no explicit statement of a specific life-expectancy.

It's been some time since I've read Unfinished Tales.

Or of anything relating to an extention of it in Numenor.

That's too bad. I know the Númenórean Haleth didn't live as long as the Númenórean Hadorians (per NoME). Even extended their lives might have still been relatively short.

Hm. This makes me wonder why the Hobbits (a branch of the race of Men) had such long lives. Did they not get corrupted by Melkor?

 

[Squint-eyed Southerner]

My impression is that the Hobbits were "overlooked" by most -- they're not "mentioned in records" until T.A. 1050 -- so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Morgoth never noticed them.

There may be something more in HoME XII, but I don't have time to check through it at the moment.

 

[ArnorianRanger]

If they had never been corrupted by Morgoth it would seem that the ability of Hobbits being able to resist the evil temptation of the One Ring (and evil temptation in general considering no Hobbit had ever killed another in the Shire by the time of Return of the King) is quite deeply rooted.

Thanks,

ArnorianRanger

 

[ZehnWaters]

If they had never been corrupted by Morgoth it would seem that the ability of Hobbits being able to resist the evil temptation of the One Ring (and evil temptation in general considering no Hobbit had ever killed another in the Shire by the time of Return of the King) is quite deeply rooted.

That's odd, since (if memory serves) there were rumours in Hobbiton that Frodo's mother tried to drown his father and they both ended up drowning together.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

That's odd, since (if memory serves) there were rumours in Hobbiton that Frodo's mother tried to drown his father and they both ended up drowning together.

Who were Frodo's parents? I have not known of this.

 

[ZehnWaters]

Who were Frodo's parents? I have not known of this.

Drogo and Primula. I swear it's mentioned at the beginning of The Lord of the Rings but I could be wrong. It's been many years since I read them. I mean, it wasn't true. It was just that most Hobbits were scared of water and so they all thought the Brandybucks were odd and suspicious for boating.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

Drogo and Primula. I swear it's mentioned at the beginning of The Lord of the Rings but I could be wrong. It's been many years since I read them. I mean, it wasn't true. It was just that most Hobbits were scared of water and so they all thought the Brandybucks were odd and suspicious for boating.

Ah - I see. I never really read the first half of The Fellowship of the Ring - I started from the second half, then went to the first half of The Two Towers after that before I stopped reading LOTR and went way back to The Silmarillion, which I have finished recently.

Thanks - I suppose I have much to ponder about...

 

[Starbrow]

Sandyman is gossiping about Frodo's parents when he says:

And I heard she pushed him in, and he pulled her in after him.

The fact that such a thing could be gossiped about would imply that one hobbit killing another was not unheard of.

 

[Elbereth Vala Varda]

The fact that such a thing could be gossiped about would imply that one hobbit killing another was not unheard of.

As it should be!

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

As it should be!

One hobbit killing another? Sounds like a Kinslaying resurfacing to me...

 

[Tar-Elenion]

In Letter 214 the death of (the "not universally beloved") Lalia the Great (also known as "the Fat") is written about.
She was the 'matriarch' of the Took clan after the death of her husband, Fortinbras II, and customarily would be wheeled to the Great Door of the Great Smials to take the morning air. One morning "her clumsy attendant let the heavy chair run over the threshold and tipped Lalia down the flight of steps into the garden", which caused her death.
Though the Tooks attempted to keep the whole matter quiet it "was widely rumoured that the attendant was Pearl (Pippin's sister)". Pearl was excluded from the accession ceremony and feast of Ferumbras (Lalia's son) to the headship of the Tooks, but was later seen wearing "a splendid necklace of her name-jewels that had long lain in the hoard of the Thains."

 

[Ent]

It's been some time since I've read Unfinished Tales.

That's too bad. I know the Númenórean Haleth didn't live as long as the Númenórean Hadorians (per NoME). Even extended their lives might have still been relatively short.

Hm. This makes me wonder why the Hobbits (a branch of the race of Men) had such long lives. Did they not get corrupted by Melkor?

Hobbits had long lives? I thought they were pretty normal.
Bilbo at 131 was the longest lived hobbit. And that was due to the ring. Behind him was Gerontius at 130 years, naturally lived but quite remarkable.

Anyway, another item (longevity of Númenóreans) added to my list.

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

Anyway, another item (longevity of Númenóreans) added to my list.

Truly, I wonder how thou shalt deal with so many items upon thy list...

 

[Ent]

Truly, I wonder how thou shalt deal with so many items upon thy list...

Slowly, steadfastly, and thoroughly. 😁

I expect I will leave this existence with a very long list of unexplored subjects remaining.
By the way... I also know I will die at a desk. It will either be my work desk, or my study desk.
(Obviously, my desks are ones at which I stand up..!)

 

[Áramandë Amaniel]

I expect I will leave this existence with a very long list of unexplored subjects remaining.
By the way... I also know I will die at a desk. It will either be my work desk, or my study desk.

Unfortunate that doth indeed sound, leastways for my part...

 

[Ent]

Drogo and Primula. I swear it's mentioned at the beginning of The Lord of the Rings but I could be wrong. It's been many years since I read them. I mean, it wasn't true. It was just that most Hobbits were scared of water and so they all thought the Brandybucks were odd and suspicious for boating.

Your memory is good. Drogo, great grandson of Balbo Baggins, and Primula, youngest child of Gorbadoc Brandybuck (known as 'Broadbelt'.)

 

[Ent]

That's odd, since (if memory serves) there were rumours in Hobbiton that Frodo's mother tried to drown his father and they both ended up drowning together.

- "And Mr. Drogo was staying at Brandy Hall with his father-in-law, old Master Gorbadoc, as he often did after his marriage (him being partial to his vittles, and old Gorbadoc keeping a mighty generous table); and he went out boating on the Brandywine River; and he and his wife were drownded, and poor Mr. Frodo only a child and all.’
- ‘I’ve heard they went on the water after dinner in the moonlight,’ said Old Noakes; ‘and it was Drogo’s weight as sunk the boat.’
- ‘And I heard she pushed him in, and he pulled her in after him,’ said Sandyman, the Hobbiton miller. ‘
- You shouldn’t listen to all you hear, Sandyman,’ said the Gaffer, who did not much like the miller. ‘There isn’t no call to go talking of pushing and pulling. Boats are quite tricky enough for those that sit still without looking further for the cause of trouble."

I would echo the Gaffer's last comment.
It seems HOW they were drowned in that boating accident is a Great Halls issue... THAT they drowned in a boating accident however is certain.
So again you are right. There were rumors.

 

[Ent]

And did the ones from Númenor have their lives extended?

Having done some small research on the Topic and the initial question here, sir ZehnWaters, I have not been able to locate any mention of a life-expectancy for the Drúedain, nor any indication that those from Númenór had their live expectancy extended.