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Mortals in the Undying Lands?

Yes, you should really read the Sil to find the answer to those questions. You will find lots about Gil-Galad there. And I believe Elrond, Galadriel and Gandalf all took their Rings with them when they left Middle-Earth, since the age of the Elves and all things connected with them was over and their Rings had lost their power after the destruction of the One Ring.
 
They don't become immortal(at least those from LOTR don't) but they are special and are thus granted this grace to sail to the undying lands to find healing and peace there. Mortals' lives sort of "burn up" faster there (I think it says so in one of the letters - if I am mistaken someone please correct me) but they are healed and live in prosperity and happiness.

The Silmarillion consists of:
1.The Ainulindalë
2.The Valaquenta
3.Quenta Silmarillion
4.Akallabeth (the drowning of Numenor)
5.Of the Rings of Power and the third age
Only the first three parts make up the Silmarillion proper,meaning that they tell of the First Age of the world (and even before that began).
You will not find much (or anything) about Gil-Galad in any of the first three parts,only in the last two parts.

The three guardians of the elven rings (Elrond,Galadriel and Gandalf) all departed over the sea with their rings,because the time of the rings was over and they lost their powers.

:cool: ;)
 
thanks, did Gil-Gallad die or somthing? Why did Elrond get his ring?
So basically the ring bearers and Gimli went there, felt better, and then died? If oyu look in the appendix a it lists Gimli's death as fourth aghe 82, i dont quite understand it, if he sailed with Legolas in 1541 Shire Reckoning, would that be around fourth age 120? Is there anywhere in Tolkine;s work where the tales with oepoele of the fourth age? Like Cirdan, if he didint leave ME by the time Sam left(i don't remember) or any tohere characters like Gimli and Legolas?
 
Yes, those mortals who went to the undying lands did eventually die.

This is a section From Morgoth's Ring (one of the History of Middle-earth books)
This is Christopher Tolkien here, giving quotes from some of his father's letters.
With this may be contrasted what he wrote at the end of his account of The Lord of the Rings in his letter to Milton Waldman of 1951 (a passage omitted in Letters but printed in IX.132):
To Bilbo and Frodo the special grace is granted to go with the Elves
they loved - an Arthurian ending, in which it is, of course, not made
explicit whether this is an 'allegory' of death, or a mode of healing
and restoration leading to a return.
In his letter to Naomi Mitchison of September 1954 (Letters no.154),
however, he said:
... the mythical idea underlying is that for mortals, since their 'kind'
cannot be changed for ever, this is strictly only a temporary reward:
a healing and redress of suffering. They cannot abide for ever, and
though they cannot return to mortal earth, they can and will 'die' -
of free will, and leave the world. (In this setting the return of Arthur
would be quite impossible, a vain imagining.)
And much later, in a draft letter of 1963 (Letters no.246), he wrote:
Frodo was sent or allowed to pass over Sea to heal him - if that
could be done, before he died. He would have eventually to 'pass
away': no mortal could, or can, abide for ever on earth, or within
Time. So he went both to a purgatory and to a reward, for a while: a
period of reflection and peace and a gaining of a truer understanding
of his position in littleness and in greatness, spent still in Time
amid the natural beauty of 'Arda Unmarred', the Earth unspoiled by
evil.
 
Smeagol,I believe Tol Eressea is considered a part of the Undying Lands. Mortals cannot find the Straight path to it,because it was removed from the circles of the world along with Aman.
 
We all know that several mortals went to the undying lands. Frodo and Sam both eventually wenty after completing their quests. But I have a question:

If mortals go to the undying lands, do they still remain mortal and eventually die there?
 
Yes, they are still mortal. They can be healed of all their hurts and weariness (this goes for Frodo especially) and enjoy the Undying Lands, but they still die when it's their time. So I have been wondering if Frodo was still alive when Sam came... maybe they met again, but maybe Frodo had already died. That would be kinda sad :(
 
I heard something a bit different!!! I heard that after the fellowship, Faramir married Eowyn, and Aragorn married Arwen. I heard also that Sam, Merry, and Pippin eventually die, and when Aragorn's around 300 years old, he 'chooses to die', leaving Arwen to mourn. :( I also heard that after that, Legolas sails to the undying lands with Gimli, and I also heard that Frodo, BILBO, and Gandalf sailed there. Is that wrong???? :confused: Yet, yes, they remain mortal. I also thought that if they weren't full elves, they had to be invited by the elves!!! Again, is that wrong???
:confused:
 
No, Merry and Pippin stay in ME and die eventualy, and they are burried next to Aragorn.

And i would assume that Frodo is still alive for this time (by the time sam gets there) because he was a ring-bearer, and bearing it prolongs life. Plus, being in the Undying lands would probly prolong your life as well, because its so peaceful there and everything
 
I find that hard to believe. You die faster in the UN DYING lands? wow. thats wierd
 
Originally posted by MorgulKing
I find that hard to believe. You die faster in the UN DYING lands? wow. thats wierd
It says so in one of the letters of JRR. Also, the lands are undying because the deathless live there, not because they grant ever lasting life. That was a mistake Ar Pharazon also made.
 
Could you quote where Tolkien says that? I never thought of it that way, it's very interesting. That would also mean that Frodo and Sam never saw each other again (something we discussed a few weeks ago), since Frodo would probably already be dead when Sam got to the Undying lands.
 
Originally posted by Niniel
Could you quote where Tolkien says that? I never thought of it that way, it's very interesting. That would also mean that Frodo and Sam never saw each other again (something we discussed a few weeks ago), since Frodo would probably already be dead when Sam got to the Undying lands.

Oh, that would be so sad! I don't think Tolkien would want us to believe that.
 

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